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Old 04-06-2013, 08:33 PM   #101
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LOL, it's amazing. Once someone oversensitive gets b#tthurt and trashes what could be a good discussion with a healthy (and unoffensive) dose of ribbing.

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I dont mean to insult the tastes of others, but being a home coffee roaster that that cant abide by flavorings added to "coffee" (snob...I know), how much stuff (fruit, etc) can one add to a brew before its not beer anymore? i hope to start a fiery debate like the one on odds, only more interesting....(maybe not as interesting as Mary Ann vs Ginger)
I drink my coffee black, in fact I spend a lot of time in Mexico and have become quite a snob spending time in the jungle checking out every roaster I can find, it's super fun and amazing we tolerate the crap that is sent to us as an "import".

That said, I cannot live in Portland like I do and call someones beer creation 'not a beer', good way to be chased down by a mob. If you can think of it, most likely someone has done it here, that said, the question is too vague to begin with. The question should be, when is a Hefeweizen not a Hefeweizen, or a porter, or blond, red, brown, stout, sweet, sour, pepper and the list goes on. There are literally hundreds of any one kind of beer according to ones particular interpretation or alteration.

In conclusion, crack one open, admire it, drink it and be hoppy!
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:41 PM   #102
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But can we still wrestle in the pit?

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Old 04-06-2013, 08:44 PM   #103
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But can we still wrestle in the pit?
Only after a few so-called "beers".
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:04 PM   #104
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I think we need to admit there are beers we hate that are still beer.

A hefe has some strict requirements to be a hefe, but its beer. A hefe is a wheat beer, not all wheat beers are hefes, but they are beer.

bmc is beer
papst is beer
stout is beer.

jury it still out on exactly where a beer stops being beer and wanders into being a Braggart or gruit.

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Old 04-06-2013, 11:23 PM   #105
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But can we still wrestle in the pit?
I'm hoping. Pit wrestling is always fun when beer is involved.

Speaking of which, now that I've put the sharp objects away I can go drink that beine (needs grapes to be weer), and honey to be bee-ine).
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I'm hoping. Pit wrestling is always fun when beer is involved.

Speaking of which, now that I've put the sharp objects away I can go drink that beine (needs grapes to be weer), and honey to be bee-ine).
So, strawberries don't count as weer? It has to be grapes? I shall see you in the pit...
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Old 04-07-2013, 03:17 AM   #107
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So, strawberries don't count as weer? It has to be grapes? I shall see you in the pit...
After drinking a Theobroma, this thread makes a lot more sense. Sorry about questioning the strawberry weer.

Still on for the pit though!
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Old 04-08-2013, 02:41 PM   #108
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I have only a few batches under my belt, but I dont think that necessarily nullifies my opinion. While I agree that enjoying or even preferring a BMC beer is a perfectly legitimate life choice, what I disagree with is the idea that "beer is just beer" and should thus not be taken too seriously.

Much like rice, millet, or plantains beer is a foodstuff that hundreds of millions if not hundreds of billions of people both living and dead have enjoyed in a miriad of forms. Beer was drank by slaves while they build the pyramids in egypt, and by the Founding Fathers while they fleshed out the Declaration of Independance, the Articles of Confederation, and later the Constitution. It has been drank in place of other foods and drank in place of polluted water. Everytime one pours a beer into a glass and enjoys it, there is a good chance that one of that person's heros from history had had a very similar if not identicle experience. While fights have broke out after beer's consumption, so too have people decided to desist hostilities and discuss the matter over a beer.

From a historic, cultural, and in some cases, even spiritual aspect beer is more than just a fizzy beverage.

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To answer the original question, I would say that a beverage that did not start with a grain or a grain extract and had not been fermented would not be a beer. For example, Malta Goya.

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well, so it has been proven here that you can make chicken soup beer....and it's still beer. the new intriguing question of the day is (to me): can you make beer from processed grains? would it be theoretically possible to make beer from Wheaties? not saying anyone would want to.....

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