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Old 09-15-2013, 04:32 PM   #1
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I saw a 'Simple Wheat Beer' recipe on line that I wrote down that just used extract and hops .Two 3.3 cans and two pacs hops and pac of yeast for a 5gal batch.

Local shop didnt have any wheat extract but had Briess wheat malt (grain).
I picked up two lbs.

I also picked up one pound of Crystal Malt 40L .( Thought it may boost the fermentation as I didnt know how wheat did)

Only hops they had with mention of being used for wheat was Mt.Hood and I got one packet, which I planned on dividing for adding half at beginning of boil and half last 15 minutes.

I am wanting to make a half batch of 2.5 gal .

My question is , will the malts above be the equal of the the above extracts if the extracts were divided in half ?

As you can tell Ive never done an all grain

Am I even close ???????

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That's a lot of crystal malt for 2.5 gal batch. Did you get the grains milled?

If it were me, I'd wait until I could get my hands on the ingredients for the beer I wanted to brew. However, you could make beer with what you've got, just don't expect it to be like the original recipe.

You're going to need to mash those grains - but they need to be milled. Look at the brew in a bag (BIAB) sticky in the All Grain forum. That's going to be your best bet. I don't know what the original recipe called for, but mashing those grains will get you about 1.030-1.035 - probably lower than what you wanted.

Finally, I don't know where you are, but it sounds like your LHBS has a poor selection. I'd say to either shop somewhere else or check out one of the online retailers.

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If you do a partial mash it will convert the starch to sugar which would mean you wouldn't need as much extract.

If you are going to steep the wheat you will get some of the wheat flavor and will need the two cans of LME to match the gravity of the recipe.

Ive made plenty of wheat beers, both extract and all grain, but never by steeping wheat. Perhaps someone that has tried it will comment as well.

How much malt extract did you buy?

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Hello, If the 2 cans = 3.3 lbs each, you will be a bit light with only 3 lbs of grain, when converting from extract to all-grain most of the time you will use a bit more grain in lbs than extract in lbs.

I would guess around 3.75 Lbs of grain would be close, Im having to guess since I cant access BeerSmith right now.

Also you will need to grind your grain and do a mash, just a fyi.

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I just finished making a roller with 3" x 6" knurled rolls and 5" pulley on driven and 2.75" on 3/4hp 1725 motor . I guessed it would be around 700rpm . It works pretty good and rolls are set about .050"

Only yeast they had was S-04 and a lager type and I got a pack of S-04.

Ok , how about cutting back to a 2 gal batch ?

I have a partial bag of Amber Briess DME in pantry if it would help it ?

About 8 oz of roasted barley left over from a porter too.

Any of this help make this ?

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Wheat extract is a blend of wheat and barley- usually 35% wheat, 65% barley.

You don't have enough base malt for a 2.5 gallon batch. You need a couple of pounds of two-row. In general, 1 pound grain = .75 pound LME = .6 pound DME, so for a 3.3 pound LME sub you need approxiately 4.50 pounds of grain. You're far short. The caramel malt doesn't substitute at all for base malt- it gives color and sweetness and caramel flavor to the beer, but it doesn't reduce the need for an appropriate amount of base malt or extract.

"Wheat beers" aren't made of 100% wheat. I doubt you'd like the flavor of a beer made with 100% wheat.

If you want to use the amber DME, how much of it do you have?

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A partial bag of DME really doesn't tell us much, to better help you we need amounts, I agree that 1 lb of crystal 60 is to much for a 2.5 gal batch.

Ill just toss this out there, BIAB would be a easy way to do your first all-grain.

2 lbs wheat grain
2 to 4 oz cristal 60
1 1/2 lb amber DME
1/2 oz hops @ 60 min in the boil
1/4 to 1/2 oz hops @ 15 min in the boil

grind grains, I use 38 to 40 thousand on my mill.
Mash grains in Bag at 152 deg for 60 min.
if you would like to try a mahout raise mash/grain temp (stir grains in bag) to 168 for 10 min.
Remove grains.
Boil and add your hops
Add DME at 15 min.

This will not make the same beer as the LME can batch, but it should make a good amber/wheat beer.

Maybe some one can jump in here and help with the water volume as I can't get into BeerSmith.

Best guess on water volume, about 3.2/3 gal.

Hope this helps!

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Yooper......I have 1lb of Breiss Golden and 6lb of Breiss Amber.

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WileyCoyote ........Im just wanting to try an grain type as I havent . Thought a wheat would be good as I havent had a wheat beer either Always been a fan of darks but thought bout giving a wheat a try .

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I say go for it, I like Amber/Wheats and All-Grain is really not hard to do, its really easy when doing BIAB.

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