Electric Brewing Supply 30A BCS Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Beginners Beer Brewing Forum > Wheat Ale with EC-1118 possible?
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 02-06-2013, 01:13 AM   #1
oceanbrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 44
Likes Given: 2

Default Wheat Ale with EC-1118 possible?

I bought some 1118 to make mead, but I've got some leftover and time to kill. I want to make a wheat ale following a recipe I found:
1 lb American Two-row Pale
8 oz Wheat Malt
6 oz (1/2 cup) Honey
@30 min 0.5 oz Hallertau hop pellets
@1 min 0.5 oz Hallertau hop pellets
1/2 pkt Ale yeast
1/16 tsp irish moss (optional)

I don't have access to the Two-row pale, and will replace that with a different pale ale grain; and I want to know what should I call it if I use ec-1118 as my yeast. Is it still a beer? Should I add more honey to avoid getting a really dry flavor?
Thanks.

__________________
oceanbrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 03:44 AM   #2
Jeepaholic
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Grain valley, Mo.
Posts: 198
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts
Likes Given: 6

Default

Most wine yeasts wont eat maltose from the malted grains. So after it is done eating the simple sugars it will stop and leave you with a very sweet beer.

Also you only have a pound and a half of grain, what size batch is this?

__________________
Jeepaholic is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 05:58 AM   #3
oceanbrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 44
Likes Given: 2

Default

One gallon batch. I cannot afford the 50 bucks for a glass carboy; the price here. Nor do I have the space for it.
So not good for making beer then? I guess I'll have to buy a different yeast?

__________________
oceanbrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 06:01 AM   #4
oceanbrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 44
Likes Given: 2

Default

What if I left the honey out of the recipe? Would that help offset the sweetness you speak of? And, what sort of alcohol content would I get if the yeast does not eat the maltose as you mentioned? Honey would be the only source of ETOH, right?

__________________
oceanbrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 12:21 PM   #5
Jeepaholic
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Grain valley, Mo.
Posts: 198
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts
Likes Given: 6

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by oceanbrew View Post
What if I left the honey out of the recipe? Would that help offset the sweetness you speak of? And, what sort of alcohol content would I get if the yeast does not eat the maltose as you mentioned? Honey would be the only source of ETOH, right?
Ec-1118 is a hell of a beast. It ferments fast and will usually give a very low final gravity so I bet if you were to try any wine yeast this would be a good one to try. If you are up for an experiment go for it, that's more than half the fun of this hobby. But it may not he all that great. I would definitely keep the honey as it will give the yeast something to start on.

One thing you can do is use bean-o. It will help break the maltose into sugar the yeast can eat. But expect a very dry beer and make sure it really is done fermenting before bottling as it could cause bottle bombs if it is still working. You already have the yeast, the investment in grain is very minimal, I say go for it. I personally love to prove the status quo wrong through experimentation, just remember when you experiment like this you will have dumpers from time to time. Just learn from them.
__________________
Jeepaholic is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 03:31 PM   #6
RIC0
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
RIC0's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: On my Wifes $hitlist in Indiana
Posts: 498
Liked 37 Times on 35 Posts
Likes Given: 17

Default

I've used that ec-1118 for some mead and it's end result is Dry. Not sure i'd use it for beer, i think it's classified as a champagne yeast.

__________________

*** Possum Trot Brewery ***

Beer Primary - Butthead Belgian
Beer Secondary - Belgian Tripel

Bottled - Big Breakfast Stout - Belgian IPA - Butthead Belgian White - Redneck Red - Moose Drool - Dirty Dubbel

Mead Primary - Nuttin
Bottled - Strawberry Trainwreck - Orange Spice - Blueberry Trainwreck

RIC0 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 05:32 PM   #7
oceanbrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 44
Likes Given: 2

Default

Yep, I think I'll have to try it. It'll be my first beer and if it comes out drinkable I know it will be unique. And that's what I am looking for. I definitely look into the bean-o. I could also ferment it first with a beer yeast then add the 1118 at the end with the honey, right? Dry meaning less sweet, couldn't I increase the honey and avoid the dryness?

__________________
oceanbrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-06-2013, 05:36 PM   #8
thadius856
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
thadius856's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Marysville
Posts: 2,270
Liked 572 Times on 250 Posts
Likes Given: 155

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RIC0 View Post
I've used that ec-1118 for some mead and it's end result is Dry. Not sure i'd use it for beer, i think it's classified as a champagne yeast.
When used for Apfelwein, I've seen the same verdict echoed. I won't know personally for several more weeks when my finishes.
__________________
Was this post helpful? Don't forget to click 'Like'!

Thadius Miller, Project Manager -> RaspberryPints

Before you build a keezer, look at this!
Chest Freezer Spec Sheets and Layout Drawings (15 models and counting)
thadius856 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-07-2013, 05:52 PM   #9
oceanbrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Posts: 44
Likes Given: 2

Default

I'm going to get the grains today. I'll keep you updated on results once beers ready.

__________________
oceanbrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 02-08-2013, 02:47 AM   #10
Jeepaholic
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Grain valley, Mo.
Posts: 198
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts
Likes Given: 6

Default

I'm looking forward to it. Should be an interesting experiment.

__________________
Jeepaholic is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ec-1118 specter623 Mead Forum 11 11-13-2013 01:32 AM
first batch with EC 1118 selfdestructed Cider Forum 4 12-29-2012 01:53 PM
Ec-1118 pizzaisgood Wine Making Forum 14 04-13-2012 01:09 AM
JAOM with EC-1118 mattne421 Mead Forum 8 02-12-2012 02:22 PM
EC 1118 Question Barliman Cider Forum 16 01-11-2011 03:00 AM