what am i doing wrong with liquid yeast?

Conodor · 06-02-2009, 01:06 PM

use dry yeast and have excellent results. But the last few attempts with liquid it seems my results arent so good.

I did a double batch saturday nite. Put a kit beer in a carboy with dry yeast. Did a ag beer put it in a bucket with liquid yeast.

Both I used a starter. they have sat next to each other. The dry yeast is going insane. The liqid 0 activity. The average temp is 63. I moved the batch upstairs where it sh be in the low 70's.

I had the same results last time I brewed also. The liquid was wyeast oo1. I inl that was the name.

Thanks.

PvtSkippy · 06-02-2009, 01:11 PM

How do you know you have no activity in the bucket? Are you watching the airlock? That might not be the best indicator of activity.

KayaBrew · 06-02-2009, 01:30 PM

Save yourself some time, money and worry and stick to dry yeast for most of your beers. I wish someone had told me that when I started brewing. Of course, if you're brewing a Wit, Hefe, Belgian et. al., then you have to go with the more specialized liquid yeasts.

BTW, WL001, Wyeast 1056, Nottingham and S-05 are all the same yeast! Why spend more on a smackpack or vial?
Check out this chart: http://www.mrmalty.com/yeast.htm#Wyeast_vs_WLP

beerkrump · 06-02-2009, 01:45 PM

Nottingham is equivalent to S-04, the English Strain, not US-05, the Chico strain.

Conodor, what is your process for making a starter? The are LOTS of threads in this forum concerning starters and yeast propogation. Just look at the bottom of this page...

johnnyc · 06-02-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Conodor

use dry yeast and have excellent results. But the last few attempts with liquid it seems my results arent so good.

I did a double batch saturday nite. Put a kit beer in a carboy with dry yeast. Did a ag beer put it in a bucket with liquid yeast.

Both I used a starter. they have sat next to each other. The dry yeast is going insane. The liqid 0 activity. The average temp is 63. I moved the batch upstairs where it sh be in the low 70's.

I had the same results last time I brewed also. The liquid was wyeast oo1. I inl that was the name.

Thanks.

You mentioned starters but didn't give details. For one this starters aren't necessary for dry yeast, I've hydrated in warm water 15 min before pitching and had great success. As for the liquid yeast how big is your starter, what's the OG and how long before brew day do you start it?

Conodor · 06-02-2009, 01:56 PM

Usually I have great results in my bucket. And a lot of activity by now. I popped a side of the lid off an there was no foam on the top of the wort either.

I used a large mason jar boiled water then when it was room temp.

beerkrump · 06-02-2009, 01:58 PM

What yeasts, and what was your procedure for making your starter? There are a lot of smart, experienced brewers on this site, but you gotta give them something to work with...

rsmith179 · 06-02-2009, 02:01 PM

Did you check your gravity yet? It's very possible that your bucket may be releasing the CO2 out the top instead of through the airlock. If your SG is lower than your OG, you should be just fine. If the SG hasn't changed, I'd say it is time to repitch.

Also, you said that you had a starter for both types of yeast. As mentioned earlier, dry yeast do not require a starter, only rehydration. With your liquid yeast starter, did you see any signs of fermentation in the starter? Did you have more yeast than you started with? If the answer's no, you may have had a bad batch of yeast in which case you would also want to repitch...

Darkstashcrashes · 06-02-2009, 02:04 PM

When i do a liquid starter, i just put some priming sugar at the bottom of a pyrex measuring cup with a cup or 2 of spring water. You could make a overnight starter with some DME, but i do the sugar method and have had great results because of it.

**FlyingHorse** · 06-02-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KayaBrew

BTW, WL001, Wyeast 1056, Nottingham and S-05 are all the same yeast!

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Originally Posted by beerkrump

Nottingham is equivalent to S-04, the English Strain, not US-05, the Chico strain.

I don't think Nottingham is equivalent to either s-05 (Notty is not the Chico strain) or s-04 (Notty is much more attenuative and less estery than s-04). It's profile is closer to s-05, though, at least IMO. Clean, highly attenuating.