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Old 11-21-2010, 07:22 PM   #1
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Hey all,

I just picked up a Midwest Supplies "Golden Wheat Beer" 20 minute boil kit.

The recipie seems pretty straight forward as far as ingredients:

Fermentables- 4lbs Munton's Wheat hopped LME, 2 lbs. Wheat DME

Hops- 1 oz Tettnang

priming sugar, and dry yeast... The kit says purchase 2lbs clover honey to make it a "honey wheat" or buy 4 oz. fruit extract for a cherry wheat.

Well long story short I wanted to step my game up a little and think outside the box and make this more my own.... I am not at the level of all grain yet I have however done a partial mash before... But for this one I thought why not tweak a recipie and add some of my own ideas to it.... So here it is.... I will follow the 20 minute boil how the directions say to it... But I want to add:

-Dark Brown Sugar

-Apple Cider

In hopes to turn this beer into a "Cider Brown Wheat Beer" lol....

As for the brown sugar I got a 2 lb. bag of dark brown sugar and a 64 oz container of apple cider....

I guess my 2 questions are when should I add the brown sugar and the apple cider? My guess is do the brown sugar during the boil... but am unsure when to add the cider, should I wait till secondary to add that? Lastly is 64 oz too much cider? same goes for the brown sugar will I need the entire 2 lb. bag? Thanks guys!

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Old 11-21-2010, 10:06 PM   #2
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Sorry for the double post but I didnt get any help in the other forum...

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f12/tweaking-golden-wheat-recipie-need-some-advice-207405/

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I'm not sure what to tell you. Those 20 minute boil kits are designed to be simple and they even suggest a couple other options. "Tweaking" it would depend on your goals. What kind of flavor are you hoping to impart? Why cider, are you a fan of graff?

To me, fermenting cider and mixing it with hops and beer sounds awful. But if it sounds good to you, then you should do it. I don't know what else to say. Those kits are very limited, since they are designed for beginners, and to be quick and easy. When I want to "think outside the box", I don't buy the box first.

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um....interesting....

The brown sugar will almost completely ferment out. But since it is dark brown you may get some molasses flavor out of it. Not sure how that would pair with a wheat beer, but go for it. Boil it, I'd say.

I don't know about cider, but apple juice has a gravity of around 1.050. So a half gallon of juice would add around 25 total gravity points to your batch. If you add this to an already 5 gallon batch, you're looking at a gravity boost of less than 5 points on your hydrometer (again this goes for apple juice, I don't know the gravity of your cider). You shouldn't have to boil the cider, but make sure it is pasteurized (no preservatives) and is unopened before you add it. Add it to either the primary or the secondary. Either way, you'll have to give the yeast time to ferment it out.

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Do you really want a cidery brew?

The beer is almost 1.060 with the Malt extract. Adding 2 lbs of sugar will take it to almost 1.080. At 25% of the bill, there is too much sugar and it will be thin, strong, and unbalanced. Add no more than 0.5 lbs if any at all. Add it to the boil.

Cider. Cidery flavors are flaws in beers. 0.5 gallons probably will not give you much anyway, the apple flavor will probably ferment right out. If you must add it, add it to the secondary, or alternatively bottle using 2 to 2.5 pints of cider instead of priming sugar. Do not boil the cider.

I would suggest just making the beer per the instructions, and looking up Graff on this site as a possible next brew.

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Yeah i agree with Calder, when I first started brewing I added all kinds of crap from the cupboards to my beer. Consequently, I made several batches of downright SH---Y beer, which I drank anyway of course. In some ways, learning by trial and error is quite valuable but you must accept the possibility of ruining some batches. If you want to get into being more creative and get away from following kits and pre-written recipes, I highly recommend picking up a copy of Designing Great Beers by Ray Daniels. It gives parameters to follow rather than exact recipes and gives you plenty of room for creativity. On the other hand, if you just want to experiment, just go for it.

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I considered telling him not to add the stuff. But, one thing that I've noticed in my short time on the particular forum is that a lot of people just don't listen to advice such as that. Generally, if it's a recipe that you've never made before, and you add multiple random adjuncts, then you won't know the root cause if it tastes that horse piss.

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haha I am still sorta new This will be my 6th batch... I like cider, brown sugar and beer.... I figured wheat beer is a good base for a flavored beer since they make blueberry wheat, cherry wheat, blackberry wheat, etc... Why not have a cider wheat? I just figured the brown sugar would add a little something extra and I could just toss it in the boil.

About thinking outside the box I didnt mean litterally lol but good point

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