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Old 05-28-2010, 04:26 PM   #11
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German Hefeweizens are traditionally done with nothing but pilsner and wheat and a decoction mash is used to give it a bit of maltiness. Decoction mashes were also used because grains were not highly modified and because it was easy to gauge temperature, etc.

Anyway, a small amount of aromatic malt will give it a malty backbone with using a decoction. I've also tried using a maltier grain, such as Vienna, in place of the Pilsner, but then it isn't as light and crisp as a hefeweizen should be. I enjoy doing decoction mashes, too, but with a partial mash it's a a waste of time...you won't get enough out of it with such a small amount of grain.

Check out the bjcp guidelines: http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style15.php#1a

Your OG of 1.055 is pretty high for a weissbier, although I've made this same recipe as a weizenbock before and it was amazing, so a higher gravity is certainly possible.

I make it a rule to do a 90 minute boil whenever I'm using pilsner malt because it produces DMS (dimethyl sulfide.) This will ensure you don't get that vegetative aroma.

I would cold-crash in secondary to make it nice and clear, but that means you will have to add more yeast at bottling. Perhaps do like the breweries do and use a lager yeast for bottling

You could certainly just cold crash the bottles for a few weeks after they are done carbonating, however, and skip the secondary...but I think it will be less clear.

I would definitely make a starter and be sure to ferment cool...this will make a nice, clean beer with the ester banana and clove flavors being pleasant and smooth, not overpowering and wild.

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Old 05-28-2010, 04:38 PM   #12
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I'm calculating about 20 IBUs for 1.57 oz of 3.0%AA hops. A partial boil will cut this down a little bit, but I would still cut it down to about 1 oz.
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YOur DME is probably half 2row and half wheat. So, you probably don't want to try and mash 5 lbs of wheat, it needs 2 row to convert. Drop the wheat malt to 2.5 and add 2.5 lbs of 2 row.
Malted wheat can self convert and then some. It has the same diastatic power as 6-row (Briess anyway.) You should still use some other malt in the mash though to keep it from turning in to a gooey mess and getting stuck.
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Good point...wheat malt generally has very high diastatic power. If you're using a bag, getting stuck is not as much of a concern.
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OK, so I have adjusted my recipe thanks to everyone's suggestions, reducing the IBUs to 10, going to hold off the aromatic malts since this is partial mash, also I reduced the wheat/pilsner ratio to 50/50 based off what I read on Northern Brewer (I still remain a loyal supporter of HomeBrewTalk!) My OG is still 1.055, but I am holding on it to maintain the 5.4 % Alc by Volume, same as Weihenstephaner. And I will definitely cold-crash in the secondary, and filter everything as well.

I will be using a grain bag per DeathBrewers partial mash write-up so I'm not overly concerned with sticky bad-bad, and I just mixed the W3068 starter, to the tune of a Sweetwater IPA (no good homebrews yet!). By the way, what temperature do yall cold-crash at, and, also, do you smack/use yeast and nutrient from the Wyeast Activator Packs to make the starter? Will definitely ferment in the low 60's with a bootlegged swamp cooler.

You guys are seriously awesome, I have learned more in the last week than I could have figured out on my own in the last month! I will let yall know how it goes!

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3.19 lb Wheat DME
2.87 lb Wheat Malt
2.87 lb German Pilsner (2 row)
1.03 oz Hallertau (3% AA)
W3068 (with 1 qt starter)

OG = 1.055
FG = 1.013
Alc by Vol = 5.4%
IBUs = 9.9
CO2 = 3.0 % with 5.9 oz corn sugar
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Colder the better (faster, at least) for cold crashing. Don't go below freezing

I generally use close to 70% wheat in my all-grain and partial mashes, but 50% will work fine.

Yep, smack the pack and it should bulge at least a little bit, so you'll know it's ready for the starter.
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Just finished brewing the weissbier clone - seems like there were constant hot breaks rather than one, even at the 90 minute mark! I assume this is because wheat is about 15% protein, but luckily I avoided any boil-overs. Pitched the starter and am waiting for signs of fermentation, as you can see below. Fingers crossed...
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yummy!


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