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Old 11-21-2008, 08:49 PM   #1
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Thanks to all of you for the help on my other thread:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/prim...straint-85818/

I bottled the Cali Common after 16 days. The final gravity was spot on and it tasted pretty darn good. I popped open a bottle after one week (chilled for 30min in freezer) and although the carbonation was taking on nicely, the taste seemed a bit watered down and just ... not very complex.

My question is, can somebody describe what is typically referred to as the taste of "young" beer? I'm curious to hear about the changes I can expect. In addition, can somebody describe the taste difference between being chilled for an hour in the fridge versus the 24-48hr recommendations I've read about on HBT?

I'm going to apologize in advance, as I'll answer both of these questions myself when I take my 2-week tasting tonight ... but I'm just impatient!

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Old 11-21-2008, 09:06 PM   #2
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I doubt both questions will really be answered tonight because two weeks is not going to be much different from one week. You might have more carb but the flavors of the beer will still be unidimensional and non-cohesive. With green beer you often get the flavors working against each other. Too much or too little maltiness, too much or too little hoppiness, too much or too little sweetness, a hot alcohol finishm plus other off flavors.

These flavors have little to do with the level of carbonation although substantial levels of carb can go a long way towards covering them up.

When a beer reaches its own level of perfection all of these disparate elements suddenly come together and work in concert. For me this time period is always at least three weeks in bottle although a lot of beers take considerably longer.

In the early stages of brewing it is okay to sample a beer or two to gauge this progression of flavor but, for me, it is just a waste of beer now and I wait until 3 weeks before I try my first from a batch.

Oh yeah, I always wait at least 24 hours in the fridge, preferably longer, because your beer needs cold time to absorb the CO2 into solution.

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Honestly, the answer is anything that doesn't taste "right"....It's a simple as that.

There's no "scientific" description, and since every fermentation and every beer is in a sense different, as is every brewer's tastebuds...It's hard to catalogue anything.

That's why UNTIL a beer is 4-6 weeks old I don't recommend that a new brewer attempt to self diagnose a beer if they think something's wrong...take it to another brewer or if you are lucky a bjcp certified judge...

You kinda have to wait till you've given the beer a time to lose it's greeness before you can say whther or not there really is an off taste (like diacytl or DMS for example) a lot of those flavors will fade with age...

I have a couple blogs on the subject of what time does to beers...

http://blogs.homebrewtalk.com/Revvy/..._Conditioning/

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/neve...en-beer-73254/

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Brew another batch because once you taste this beer at full carbonation it will go fast.

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Thanks for the feedback. This hobby sure is a serious test of patience!

A week after brewing the first batch, I bought another carboy and brewed a second (stout kit; now in secondary) just to keep my mind off the first one. Now I am constantly restraining myself from starting yet another one. I used to think you people were nuts for having so many batches in the pipeline ... now I know why.

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Ravvy's blog is flawed and not very scientific. Never open a beer at room temp, especially if you intend to drink it (well it's OK if you want a gusher.) Sorry, but I prefer the truth over the propitiation of myths.

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It really is a test of patience. I have a stout bottled, and it just keeps getting better and better each time I have one, but now I'm starting to run out!

I think for my next batch, I'll order another fermenter so I can get myself a pipeline going and maybe do two at once.

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Ravvy's blog is flawed and not very scientific. Never open a beer at room temp, especially if you intend to drink it (well it's OK if you want a gusher.) Sorry, but I prefer the truth over the propitiation of myths.
I have NEVER mentioned ANYTHING about ROOM TEMPERATURE BEER, in any of my blogs...I recommend that you chill the beer down, I mention a minimum of 48 hours in the fridge and recommend a week..


Im fact I say it TWICE in the "unscientific blog"

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After 3 weeks @ 70 is recommended (though most of us fail at this one-Me included) that you put your beer in the fridge for a full two weeks before drinking....this will help to make you beer crystal clear and tasty.....

At least new brewer, let them chill in the fridge for 48 hours before you knock them back.
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A good experiment, for any brewer to do, is to pull a beer out on the 7th day in the bottle and chill it for 2...then taste it...make notes on the tastes and the level of carb. Do it again on the 14th day, the 21st and the 28th...you'll really see the difference. Then leave a bottle stashed away for 6 months...chill that and taste it...and go back and read your notes... You'll learn a heck of a lot about beer doing that.
The same with poindexter's video, maybe if you spent more time learning then trolling me you would realize it..
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Yeah, it always tastes good at like 2 months in the bottle for me. You should brew multiple batches though. that way when one beer is truly ready, you can have the patience to leave the other batches that are green alone.

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And then a video of 70 degree gusher. I don't want a flame war. I'm not a troll. I think you know a lot and can't admit when your wrong. You insinuated that I'm full of crap. My feelings are hurt. I'll get over it and so will you. I tried to resolve this in PM and you ignored me. :crying:

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