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Old 11-03-2008, 02:51 AM   #11
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I like the Classic Styles series because they're so in-depth. The authors really really love the styles they're covering; the depth of knowledge is often astounding and always educational.
I am definitely looking for as in-depth as possible. Plus you can never have too much education (precisely why I come here all the time)...


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Honey will not make it sweet. On the contrary, honey will ferment out almost completely, leaving honey flavors.
You hit it exactly...I do want the honey flavors but not the over-whelming sweet taste. So then, do you think the full 3# will do just as well...as long as it ferments out the sweet?

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...recommending Light DME over Amber and cutting the Black Patent back by a third (a half-pound is quite a lot, too much, IMO).
It's too late too go with the Light DME now but I will certainly try that on the next round and compare. I like the suggestion of cutting back on the Black Patent though. That would probably cut back on the roasty-burn flavor without really compromising body. Am I on the right track?

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PS - Thanks ALL for the tips and suggestions. This is the stuff you'll never learn from a book!
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:05 AM   #12
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I am definitely looking for as in-depth as possible. Plus you can never have too much education (precisely why I come here all the time)...
Good on yer! I learn something new here every day.

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You hit it exactly...I do want the honey flavors but not the over-whelming sweet taste. So then, do you think the full 3# will do just as well...as long as it ferments out the sweet?
Well, 3 pounds is a lot of honey; it's a significant gravity boost, and will also lessen the body. Depending on what extract you've chosen, you may not wish to go that high; some extracts provide little residual body.

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It's too late too go with the Light DME now but I will certainly try that on the next round and compare. I like the suggestion of cutting back on the Black Patent though. That would probably cut back on the roasty-burn flavor without really compromising body. Am I on the right track?
Do compare the difference. "Amber" extracts are mashed with specialty grains, which can have a fairly significant impact on the beer. (Hell, light extracts usually have a specialty grain added; both of Briess's light extracts have CaraPils in.)

Black Patent tastes burnt, phenolic, often "ash"y (in large amounts). In Porter, you're looking for a broad spectrum of roasted-grain notes. Too much black patent can overwhelm the less-assertive roasted-flavor contribution of the chocolate malt.

Roasted malts don't really have anything to do with body or mouthfeel. They're all about color and flavor.

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Old 11-03-2008, 11:13 AM   #13
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Listen to the Jamil Show for the porter style that you are looking to make.
The Jamil Show - Porter.
Whenever I am brewing a style that I have never brewed before, I always listen to the show for that style.
+1 to that.
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:22 AM   #14
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So, I just thought I'd post again in case anyone was curious about the outcome.

I ended up going pretty close to the way the original recipe was written with the exception of the DME change I mentioned before. Oh yeah, I also went with a little less honey, more like 2-1/2# instead of 3#.

Since I've started keeping detailed notes now, I wrote the two suggestions about subbing Light DME for Amber and cutting the Black Patent Malt by 1/3. After working with it, I could easily see how the Black Patent could potentially overwhelm the other malts. Darn it...I guess I'll just have to brew another batch!



I can tell you though...It is bubbling like mad in the closet so I'm happy so far. The real test will be when I post back in 6-8 weeks after everything is carbed and drinkable.

Thanks for the input and suggestions. I can't wait until the next time I brew this one and try the changes. By the way, the tip on The Brewing Network.com - Shows and Podcasts: The Jamil Show was excellent! That is a fantastic site for info on styles!

-Tripod

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