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Old 07-02-2010, 03:48 PM   #11
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I'm a brewing noob. But seriously, if you've got food particles stuck to your bottles, then you've got issues with your dishwasher. It isn't draining. Maybe its overloaded or or something. If food is stuck to your bottles, then its stuck to your dishes too.

I've never had issues with food particles being stuck on dishes (or bottles) when I run our DW.
LOL maybe he put them in there with dirty dishes...
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Old 07-02-2010, 03:53 PM   #12
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I am a triple rinser too, but be wary, the Montrachet yeast in carbed Apfelwein will NOT come out with just a triple rinse. Just ask half of my IPA last summer that turned into nasty, phenolic gushers.
Now if you had run those bottles through a dishwasher with a antibacterial cycle the leftover yeast would have been killed. You might have had ugly floater in your beer, but no gushers. Sanitizers only work on the surface. The inner parts of the yeast gunk are still alive. Heat kills!

Haven't read the whole article Revvy referenced, but if the test was to "evaluate the performance of a general dishwasher" it has no relevence here. I don't think that anyone would argue that using a dishwasher without an antibacterial will sanitize your bottles.
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no soap, sanitize setting, heated dry

works great, never had a problem

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Old 07-02-2010, 04:37 PM   #14
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no soap, sanitize setting, heated dry

works great, never had a problem
Same here.
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Old 07-02-2010, 04:43 PM   #15
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I've never found an bit of anything in or on my bottles from my dishwasher. I've done (mental calculation time...) thousands of bottles in there. Wouldn't do it any other way. They get VERY hot in there, and they don't get any dirtier than when I put them in there (they probably don't get any cleaner, though, at least on the inside).

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Old 07-02-2010, 04:52 PM   #16
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I am a longtime dishwasher as bottle sanitizer user. I have been known to add bleach to the wash cycle, but lately (last 20 or so batches) have been lax with the bleach....I run the full heavy wash with hot hot water and then the sani-rinse and dry option....the bottles are too hot to handle 1/2 hour after the cycle has ended.

I have never, ever, had a bottle with food (I do a thorough visual inspection of most bottles, and I rinse my dishes prior to loading them every time) particles in it, never had a bad batch of beer, and might have had a few gushers (less than .1% of all bottles and very rare) over the years of using this process.

Every once in a while to change it up, the bottles also get a long soak in sanitizer....but perhaps every bottle in my inventory gets this treatment once a year.

I think if you have doubts about the insides of your dishwasher, a quick soak in sanitizer might help.....but as we all know in this hobby, a little prevention (rinse those dishes, inspect the inside of dishwasher, and inspect clean bottles) goes a long long way.

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Bits of food on the sanitized bottles indicates a problem with the dishwasher. Take out the racks and stick your head in to carefully inspect the bottom of the unit. Use a flashlight, if necessary. You may well find an inordinate amount of crap over the suction screen. Clean out all the bits of food that you can see. Then, at the grocery store, purchase a "bottle" of dishwasher cleaner. You remove the cap, place the "bottle" in the silverware basket and run the washer through an entire HOT cycle. That should clean out whatever your inspection missed, along with stuck-on grease from previous cycles.

Now that the dishwasher is CLEAN, load up the bottles and run it...WITHOUT any detergent...on the hottest cycle and INCLUDE the "hot dry" portion of the cycle. The hot water...and the HOT steam/air...will sanitize whatever is in the dishwasher.

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Yeah I always run my dishwasher empty, without soap first. After that's done, I run it with bottles inside. Never had a problem. It's good to caution people though! I'll keep an eye out.

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I've bottled over 60 batches with my dishwasher.

Mine has a 'Sanitize' setting, and they cannot use that term on a dishwasher unless it actually is actually NSF CERTIFIED to remove 99.9% of the bacteria from whatever is inside (NSF Reference)

It's far superior to any other method I've tried - it's failproof, keeps spillover mess contained, fast, simple, and it sanitizes the entire dishwasher periodically so that we are less likely to get sick from eating off dishes that may have bacteria on them (not that that is really a worry).

I've never had any kind of food in my bottles, but even if I found an entire carrot in a beer I wouldn't worry because it would be sanitized

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we are less likely to get sick from eating off dishes
You haven't had my wife's cooking.

Thanks for posting that NSF reference.






kidding about my wife's cooking, actually (are you reading this hun?)
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