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BarlimanButterbur · 01-22-2013, 02:53 PM

I'd avoid the oats and coffee, since those involve a lot of oils and in moderate amounts are bad for head retention. The Carafa, as people have already point out, won't have the roasted bite that roasted barley gives. The Homebrewer's Garden by Joe Fisher and Dan Fisher says you can make roasted barley from clean, dry, unmalted barley by roasting it in the oven at 400F for about 70 minutes. You should spread it out on a baking sheet about 3/4 inch thick. Then you're supposed to let them cool and store them in a dry place for five to seven days so they can "mellow".

I haven't done it before.

duffstuff · 01-22-2013, 03:45 PM

Thanks for all the replies. From my limited knowledge carafa2 is the only black malt on the market. I think roasting my own will be the option. Could I roast a pilsner malt or pale ale malt. ( I have plenty of each) ?

**501irishred** · 01-22-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BarlimanButterbur

I'd avoid the oats and coffee, since those involve a lot of oils and in moderate amounts are bad for head retention.

?? Oats bad for head retention? I've actually seen the opposite..... I've made some Oatmeal stouts with a healthy amount of flaked oaks that had GREAT head retention......

BarlimanButterbur · 01-22-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 501irishred

?? Oats bad for head retention? I've actually seen the opposite..... I've made some Oatmeal stouts with a healthy amount of flaked oaks that had GREAT head retention......

From what I understand, though I'm willing to be corrected, oats in large proportions are bad for head retention, although they can be beneficial in smaller amounts.
If you Ctrl+f the following and search "oats", it says the same thing I'm saying. http://www.byo.com/stories/article/indices/35-head-retention/625-fabulous-foam Of course, there are all kinds of factors in head retention. The batch that I brewed with oats did not have terrible head retention, but it was worse than I would have expected. YMMV.

**501irishred** · 01-22-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BarlimanButterbur

From what I understand, though I'm willing to be corrected, oats in large proportions are bad for head retention, although they can be beneficial in smaller amounts.
If you Ctrl+f the following and search "oats", it says the same thing I'm saying. http://www.byo.com/stories/article/indices/35-head-retention/625-fabulous-foam Of course, there are all kinds of factors in head retention. The batch that I brewed with oats did not have terrible head retention, but it was worse than I would have expected. YMMV.

Agree there are many factors that can contribute or degrade head retention. It appears that entire article (haven't read it all yet) is devoted to the subject. When it comes to oats, I might give that it may reduce the overall amount of foam as they call it, but retention may actually be better not worse. Who knows, maybe a side by side test would show something else, but I haven't noticed problems from a practical application standpoint.

**BrewerinBR** · 01-22-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by duffstuff

Thanks for all the replies. From my limited knowledge carafa2 is the only black malt on the market. I think roasting my own will be the option. Could I roast a pilsner malt or pale ale malt. ( I have plenty of each) ?

Roast the pale ale malt and pay close attention to it and stir it often during the 70 minute roast to help it heat evenly and prevent parts from burning.