The Great Bottle Opener Giveaway

Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Beginners Beer Brewing Forum > Newbie Belgian Wit (100% infected)

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 05-10-2013, 01:47 AM   #1
bcrosby
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
bcrosby's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 461
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 31

Default Newbie Belgian Wit (100% infected)

This is my second beer and the first one was infected with lacto. I didn't know the first one was infected until a few days after I opened the first bottle and noticed it tasting more sour. I took it to the local home brew shop and they told me of the infection. I had also already threw this batch into the fermenter before knowing of the first infection. I found out that my water ph was above 6.4 and I was using StarSan to sanitize. The ph caused the StarSan to be ineffective.

Anyway, after 2 weeks the krausen was still present:



After 3 weeks the krausen dropped, but I still see this:


Still being new to this and knowing it's infected, I can smell it now, is this normal yeasty islands or is that the lacto?

I did taste it and it tastes good, for being uncarbonated, but I don't want to rack too soon.

I am also prepared to drink this batch very quickly.

05_03_2013.jpg   05_09_2013.jpg  
__________________
bcrosby is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 03:37 AM   #2
kanddr
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Perry, UT
Posts: 136
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts
Likes Given: 5

Default

That looks normal to me, and if you used a Belgian yeast it's going to smell funky anyway. I wouldnt be so quick assuming this batch is infected, especially if it tastes good as you indicate. Check the gravity and bottle it if it has dropped to the final gravity for that brew. Be sure to let it age if if is a complex recipe and dont rush it.

__________________
Drinking:American Wheat, Amber Ale
Fermenting: Grand Cru
Secondary: Sierra Nevada Pale Ale
On deck: Amarillo Pale Ale
kanddr is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 03:45 AM   #3
issekremaaa
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wellington, New Zealand
Posts: 13
Liked 2 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Get some PH test strips (cheap and readily available at pharmacies etc.) and check your Star San solution's PH with it. Your PH should always remain under 3.5 to be as effective as you want it to be. Even when it looks cloudy after having it standing around for a few weeks, it remains effective if the PH strips show a value of 3.5 or less.

In regards to the "infection", I have never had one but from photos of lacto infections I have seen around here, I would assume that this is just a healthy Krausen.

__________________
issekremaaa is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 03:43 PM   #4
bcrosby
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
bcrosby's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 461
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 31

Default

Thanks

I do know it's infected as I can smell it in the overtones. It smells the same as the infected bottles from my last batch. I also did get the ph strips and my tap water is way high; much too high for Starsan.

I'm more curious of what the floaties are on top of the wort now and do I wait for them to go away. Since this is my second batch I can't tell what the wort should look like. The gravity appears to be stable.

__________________
bcrosby is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 03:52 PM   #5
CityOChampBrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Posts: 655
Liked 58 Times on 49 Posts
Likes Given: 45

Default

from what I can see the "floaties" as you refer to them as, are most likely yeast rafts

__________________
Primary: cabernet sauvignon, El dorado pale
Seconday: Golding abbey, Flanders Red, Cocoa IPA, S.C.A. IPA
Bottled: Golding kolsch, Raspberry Mead, Berlinner Weisse, Caliente Pale ale, Amarillo/Citra wheat
Kegged empty
CityOChampBrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 03:53 PM   #6
billl
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,780
Liked 248 Times on 208 Posts
Likes Given: 7

Default

"I do know it's infected as I can smell it in the overtones. It smells the same as the infected bottles from my last batch. I also did get the ph strips and my tap water is way high; much too high for Starsan.
"

I don't know who is telling you this nonsense, but that is 100% wrong. Ph of 6.4 is acidic! It's lower than most of the US water supply. Even a high water ph would have basically zero impact on starsan.

Quit opening your beer. Just leave it alone for several weeks. 99% of new brewer problems are from people just trying to rush the process.

And honestly, you don't "know it's infected". You don't know what it is supposed to smell like, so you obviously can't know if it smells "infected".

__________________
billl is offline
4
People Like This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 04:01 PM   #7
Clonefan94
Senior Member
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Clonefan94's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Schaumburg, Illinois
Posts: 950
Liked 179 Times on 119 Posts
Likes Given: 44

Default

It doesn't look infected to me, it looks like a normal Krausen to me. Smelling a beer in the fermenter gives you all kinds of odd wiffs. With that many big yeast rafts still floating, you are probably smelling that belgian yeast. It's probably going to give you some sour notes, just because it's belgian.

__________________
Clonefan94 is offline
bcrosby Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 04:13 PM   #8
bcrosby
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
bcrosby's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 461
Liked 13 Times on 10 Posts
Likes Given: 31

Default

Do the yeast rafts drop out of suspension?

As far as ph goes, the ph of my tap water is definitely 6.4. I thought acid was 0 and pure water was 7? I could be doing that wrong also.
In these forums I read that fivestar says it should be used around 3.3. My water turns cloudy immediately when I add starsan, that is what tipped me off.

The off smell is very sour, but I can't taste it. It has the same exact smell as my infected bottles, which I can definitely taste. It turned my porter to undrinkable levels. I had 3 different people at my local home brew shop taste it and they were the ones that said it got infected to begin with.

Either way I'll invite a few friends over and drink these fast.

Thanks for all the replies.

__________________
bcrosby is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 04:13 PM   #9
twistr25
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
twistr25's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,386
Liked 111 Times on 104 Posts
Likes Given: 14

Default

Just to reiterate the fact, doesn't look infected to me either. Wait it out and bottle it up. Make sure your bottles are properly sanitized.

__________________

____________________
Primary: N/A
Bottled: All Hallow's Eve Pumpkin Ale
Kegs: Sunset Orange Kolsch Redux and Starry Night Vanilla Bourbon Porter
Future: ???
2013 Previous: Sunrise Honey Rye Pale Ale, Yooper's Oatmeal Stout, Dark Skies Black IPA, Sunset Orange Kolsch, All Hallow's Eve Pumpkin Ale, Maple Vanilla Brown Ale, Raining Hops and Dogs IPA

Awards/Recognition
Dark Skies Black IPA - 2nd Place at a local comp. Score of 39 from a BJCP judge

Twistr25 Recipes

GT Keezer Build

twistr25 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-10-2013, 04:14 PM   #10
twistr25
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
twistr25's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 1,386
Liked 111 Times on 104 Posts
Likes Given: 14

Default

Your first one may have been infected, but this one is not, yet.... Leave it alone and let it finish up.

pH scale goes from 0 to 14 last I knew, 7 is neutral

Your bottles may have been infected on the first batch as well and not the brew itself.

__________________

____________________
Primary: N/A
Bottled: All Hallow's Eve Pumpkin Ale
Kegs: Sunset Orange Kolsch Redux and Starry Night Vanilla Bourbon Porter
Future: ???
2013 Previous: Sunrise Honey Rye Pale Ale, Yooper's Oatmeal Stout, Dark Skies Black IPA, Sunset Orange Kolsch, All Hallow's Eve Pumpkin Ale, Maple Vanilla Brown Ale, Raining Hops and Dogs IPA

Awards/Recognition
Dark Skies Black IPA - 2nd Place at a local comp. Score of 39 from a BJCP judge

Twistr25 Recipes

GT Keezer Build

twistr25 is offline
NordeastBrewer77 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Could my guaranteed infected beer not be infected...? Bloom_198d Fermentation & Yeast 6 08-10-2013 02:25 AM
Newbie - infected batch jmelliott87 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 1 02-22-2013 01:14 AM
infected beer (yeah, it's really infected) - rant. jtakacs General Beer Discussion 36 04-20-2012 11:24 PM
Belgian Strong Ale got infected...pitch bugs and fruit? cptnthompson General Beer Discussion 15 05-10-2011 08:52 AM
Newbie in need of sage advice w/ sour Belgian Ale sabianmonk Recipes/Ingredients 4 05-17-2010 05:10 PM