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Old 08-01-2012, 07:59 PM   #11
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Thanks for the feedback.

So.... to answer :

The first bottles were about 4 weeks conditioning, and chilled around 48 hours. I've just put a few more in the fridge (they are now about 8 weeks old) - and will leave them chilling for 4-5 days before tasting.

I always pour into my nice pilsner glass, leaving the sediment at the end. If I included any of the cloudy beer at the end it would be very yeasty, and thats the same yeast smell and flavour that I get off the rest of the beer. Its not extremely strong, but not good all the same.

I had bottled with spring water before but had the same result.

Fermentation temp was 21-22C (70-71.6F)

I bottled direct from primary into sanitised bottles. The beer seemed very clear going in - and smelled good - which leads me to belive its the coopers drops !? It's agony thinking I could have just carbed it as it was then with CO2 and drank it straightaway...

But instead I just have another yeasty batch..


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Old 08-01-2012, 08:27 PM   #12
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The beer seemed very clear going in - and smelled good - which leads me to belive its the coopers drops !?
My understanding of the coopers drops is that they are pills of compressed sugar and should not cause any yeast flavor. Have you tried priming sugar instead of the drops?


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Perhaps the slightly warm fermenting temps are causing some issue. Are those temps that of your fermenting room or the actual beer. Either way you probably need up to 5 degrees cooler. Possible this is part of the problem as well.
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I havent seen this mentioned yet: Try using a secondary after 7-10 days in the primary (basically once fermentation is done). If the beer is sitting on the big yeast cake for 4 weeks, you're probably getting more of the yeast flavor out of it than if you transferred. In addition, try using US05 from Safale; Its a very clean yeast.
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I bottled direct from primary into sanitised bottles.
I'd be surprised if this was the source, but what sanitizer are you using?
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If the beer is sitting on the big yeast cake for 4 weeks, you're probably getting more of the yeast flavor out of it than if you transferred.
This is 100% false, based on my experience.
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If the beer is sitting on the big yeast cake for 4 weeks, you're probably getting more of the yeast flavor out of it than if you transferred. In addition, try using US05 from Safale; Its a very clean yeast.
Completely false. In my experience 3-4 weeks is perfect for the yeast to clean up after itself. I know other brewers on here have left beer on yeast cakes for months on end and turned out quality beers w/o off any flavors.

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In addition, try using US05 from Safale; Its a very clean yeast.
He did use US05. It was in the OP.
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Completely false. In my experience 3-4 weeks is perfect for the yeast to clean up after itself. I know other brewers on here have left beer on yeast cakes for months on end and turned out quality beers w/o off any flavors.
Not saying off flavors, i'm saying yeast flavors. In my experience, getting the beer off the yeast cake leaves the beer with less yeast flavor. Results may vary I suppose.
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Not saying off flavors, saying yeast flavors.
Not trying to get into a back and forth here...

I generally consider a yeasty flavor to be an off-flavor in that it is usually unintentional, and in this case is clearly not desired.
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I generally consider a yeasty flavor to be an off-flavor in that it is usually unintentional, and in this case is clearly not desired.
I suppose we can just agree that our specific experiences have yielded different results and just move on.


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