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Old 09-10-2010, 01:54 PM   #2001
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I'm trying to start formulating my own recipes and i'm just looking for some reassurance. I figure i'll start with the Mr. Beer extract cans and add some steeping grains and/or additional extract along with some pellet hops.

The Mr. Beer cans of UME/HME are approx 1.5lbs of liquid extract. From what I've read online, it seems like the average ppg for liquid extract is 34. Is this a good average number? It seems to make sense when you do the formula for one of their 'standard' recipes:

1.5lbs LME (1 can) = (34ppg x 1.5lbs) / 2 gallons = 25.5 points
0.8lbs Corn Sugar = (46ppg x 0.8lbs) / 2 gallons = 18.4 points
Total Points----------------------------------- = 43.9

Starting Gravity (approx) ---------------------- = 1.044
Batch Size: 2.13 gallons

^ This seem ok? If so, then I might be looking at my first 'custom' 2 gallon recipe to be something simple like this:

1.5 lbs LME (Hopped Pale Ale)
2.0 lbs Crystal 40L (Steeped)
Starting Gravity: ~1.048

1/2oz Nugget @ 60 mins
1/4oz Willamette @ 30 mins
1/4oz Willamette @ 5 mins

Third question - how much boil-off will I see? If I boil 2 gallons of water for an hour - it'll definitely be less than 2 gallons when i'm through. If increase the starting amount to say, 2.5 gallons, should I be adding more fermentables? 1/4 or 1/2 lb of brown sugar maybe?

Thanks for any help or comments

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Old 09-10-2010, 02:54 PM   #2002
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So, looks pretty good to me!

My rule of thumb for liquid extract is: you don't want *less* than 1.1 lb per gallon, UNLESS you are using additional sugars (honey, specialty grains, packets from McDonalds... etc.) Doing as much partial mash as you are, relative to the recipe, I think you should be fine.

How much boil-off you can expect is an open question, every setup is slightly different.

Your changed volume won't affect your sugars, quite so much as it will affect your hop utilization. You'll just have to experiment, then after you know the boil-off you should be able to calculate the IBUs. Considering that your malt extract is ALREADY hopped, I don't know that I would go with quite so long of boils with the fresh hops you are adding. You can never get "boiled hops" out of beer, but if you overdo it with aroma hops you can wait 'em out while the beer ages.

So, it looks good, but I would seriously consider scaling back the hops boil, and you'll know your boil-off after it happens.

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So, looks pretty good to me!

My rule of thumb for liquid extract is: you don't want *less* than 1.1 lb per gallon, UNLESS you are using additional sugars (honey, specialty grains, packets from McDonalds... etc.) Doing as much partial mash as you are, relative to the recipe, I think you should be fine.

How much boil-off you can expect is an open question, every setup is slightly different.

Your changed volume won't affect your sugars, quite so much as it will affect your hop utilization. You'll just have to experiment, then after you know the boil-off you should be able to calculate the IBUs. Considering that your malt extract is ALREADY hopped, I don't know that I would go with quite so long of boils with the fresh hops you are adding. You can never get "boiled hops" out of beer, but if you overdo it with aroma hops you can wait 'em out while the beer ages.

So, it looks good, but I would seriously consider scaling back the hops boil, and you'll know your boil-off after it happens.
So maybe I should half the boil times or half the amount of hops i'm using?

Thanks!!
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Old 09-10-2010, 03:50 PM   #2004
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So maybe I should half the boil times or half the amount of hops i'm using?

Thanks!!
Of those two options, I would reduce the boil times.

How hoppy do you like your beer? And by hoppy, I mean, 1) how bitter, and 2) how aromatic?

1) Bitter = long boil
2) Aromatic = short (or no) boil

The aroma of hops is called "floral", but to me it smells like a bush or something. *shrug* Anyways, I know I like it, but I don't like the bitter. The pre-hopped stuff is already plenty bitter in my opinion, so if it were me I'd err on the side of aroma and dry-hop with the entire 1 oz.

But if you like a bitter beer (the opposite of "malty"), then boiling hops is your key.

I can't make a truly informed suggestion b/c I don't know the IBUs of the extract you're using. If you can figure that out somewhere, somehow, and then calculate how many IBUs you want more than that from the hops, then go for it.

If not, like I said -- I'd err on the side of "aroma". But that's just my $.02!
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Of those two options, I would reduce the boil times.

How hoppy do you like your beer? And by hoppy, I mean, 1) how bitter, and 2) how aromatic?

1) Bitter = long boil
2) Aromatic = short (or no) boil

The aroma of hops is called "floral", but to me it smells like a bush or something. *shrug* Anyways, I know I like it, but I don't like the bitter. The pre-hopped stuff is already plenty bitter in my opinion, so if it were me I'd err on the side of aroma and dry-hop with the entire 1 oz.

But if you like a bitter beer (the opposite of "malty"), then boiling hops is your key.

I can't make a truly informed suggestion b/c I don't know the IBUs of the extract you're using. If you can figure that out somewhere, somehow, and then calculate how many IBUs you want more than that from the hops, then go for it.

If not, like I said -- I'd err on the side of "aroma". But that's just my $.02!
I like a good IPA but I don't think i'm to the point where I can make a "good" IPA

I'm just going for a balanced pale ale on this one. Oh, also - can I dry hop in the primary? (which is all I have)
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I like a good IPA but I don't think i'm to the point where I can make a "good" IPA
At first it's not about making a "good" anything; it's about making the best anything that *you* can make.

Don't shy away just because you're intimidated or whatever. If you aim for the sky, and miss, you'll still hit higher than you would aiming right for the ground from the beginning.

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I'm just going for a balanced pale ale on this one. Oh, also - can I dry hop in the primary? (which is all I have)
Yes, you can. Just be careful at bottling time not to get little bits of hop in the bottles, but if you do, it will just settle out with the yeast, probably. Use a hop bag to be sure.
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At first it's not about making a "good" anything; it's about making the best anything that *you* can make.

Don't shy away just because you're intimidated or whatever. If you aim for the sky, and miss, you'll still hit higher than you would aiming right for the ground from the beginning.



Yes, you can. Just be careful at bottling time not to get little bits of hop in the bottles, but if you do, it will just settle out with the yeast, probably. Use a hop bag to be sure.
Thanks for the encouragement

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I drooled a bit, reading your recipe.

I think you'll be happy with the Williamette.

You might shock yourself with this beer -- it could be that good -- so make sure to set a few bottles back. I suggest that you try one or two bottles after letting it age for at least 60 days in the bottle. Some of the aroma will fade, but the beer beneath the aroma might really mature and be something delicious.

Looks great! Enjoy it.

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Oh, and it's going to be a bit darker than a normal pale ale I think. Use recipator to check your values.

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I drooled a bit, reading your recipe.

I think you'll be happy with the Williamette.

You might shock yourself with this beer -- it could be that good -- so make sure to set a few bottles back. I suggest that you try one or two bottles after letting it age for at least 60 days in the bottle. Some of the aroma will fade, but the beer beneath the aroma might really mature and be something delicious.

Looks great! Enjoy it.
I posted this in the recipe section and one person mentioned that you should never have more than 20% of the fermentable sugars coming from crystal. Any reasoning for that?

This person said that 20% was the absolute max - you seem to think it'll work out just fine the way I have it setup now.

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