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Bonden3000 03-18-2013 09:10 PM

Messed it up!!!

I'm new to all this brewing stuff, and I am really excited about it. I have the Coopers DIY kit and f***** up the Lager big time. (think i bottled it to soon).

Been reading a lot about how crappy the instructions are on these kits. And now it's time to try the coopers wheat. And i really don't want to mess it up.

could someone please give me some good advise.


LovesIPA 03-18-2013 09:23 PM

Good advice about what? Brewing in general?

You'll have to be more specific.

MX1 03-18-2013 09:25 PM

Where do you thnk you went wrong, what makes you think you messed it up?

Where are you confused on what to do, or how to proceed?

What did you do last time, what do you think you should do this time?

Help us, help you


CTR08 03-18-2013 09:27 PM

Next time fight the urge to bottle soon and allow fermentation to go at least 2 weeks.

Bonden3000 03-18-2013 09:53 PM

Thanks for the quick replies.

I think i bottled to soon. (after 7 or 8 days, i had a 1.010 reading). priming my bottles with carbonation drops. then waited 1 week. stuffed it in the cooler for 2 weeks and it tasted VERY fruity. not good at all.

Now reading all these different posts about not "trusting" the instructions. And some saying "follow the instructions, you'll be fine", confuses me. i need to know how long I should let it ferment. 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks.... (i know when the reading i stable) but then i read that when you have a steady reading let it sit for another week before bottling?!? (not in the instruction)

i'm aware of my lack of patience. it won't be a problem this time.

Also, i didn't get the brew enhancer this time. What type of sugar should i use?


Walking_Target 03-18-2013 10:00 PM

If it's fruity, you fermented it too warm (a pronounced, cider-like taste is Acetaldehyde and it's from fermenting too warm). if it's sour you might have not had good sanitation.

Relax, don't worry about it and ferment somewhere cool, and make sure of your sanitation

MX1 03-18-2013 10:03 PM

What did the kit say your final gravity shold be?
When deciding to transfer, i usually wait for a few days of the same gravity reading if I am in a hurry, if not in a hurry i just wait 21 days, I call it the balck jack method of brewing; 21 days primary, 21 days secondary, 21 days in the bottle to carb.

As for the fruity taste, what were your ferment temps? and what yeast did you use.

what do you wna the sugar for, just to raise the ABV? If so, I would skip it, I would rather have a lower ABV and better tasting beer. Adding a lot of sugar can dry the beer out too much, and adds an flavor that I am not partial too.

If you need sugar for priming, then just google it, there are a ton of places to get that info.


unionrdr 03-18-2013 10:06 PM

The Cooper's ale yeast will give off more fruity esters above 70-71F or so. Less if you keep ferment temps (wort temp,not ambient air temp) down to 65-68F with the Cooper's yeast. If you want it cleaner flavored with no frutiy esters (common to English & australian ales),then use Fermentis US-05. I've had it ferment clean up to 72-74F spikes. But it can ferment well in lower temps,like 60F.
Anyway,let your beer ferment in primary for 2 weeks,then do a hydrometer test to see how close it is to done. And/or how clear it is if it is done already.
Cooper's beers can get really clear in between two & three weeks. Then prime & bottle when your sure it's at FG & cleared up as stated.
The cans used with the box of brew enhancer are ok. But I started adding plain DME & hops to make different beers with tyhe Cooper's cans as a base. Read through my recipes to get some ideas on how I do it.

Schol-R-LEA 03-18-2013 10:23 PM

My first suggestion is to find a good book (How to Brew being my current best recommendation) and read up on the process as the first step. Knowledge really is power, with this hobby.

Second is to review everything you did last time, and consider how you'd change it. If you took notes - which you ought to, even with a kit - go over them in detail. Go over the directions given again - given what you've read, did the directions make sense? For example, what temperature did it recommend fermenting at (lagers generally have to ferment much cooler than ales do)? How long did it say to let it ferment, and how did it recommend you check when it was ready? How long did it say to let the bottles condition?

Finally, think about the kind of kit you are using and consider whether you want to still go with those. Was it a no-boil kit? Consider a kit that expects at least a partial boil. Was a it a pre-hopped kit (it was, I know, but I'm being rhetorical)? Consider one where the hops are provide separately, to be added during the boil (no-boil kits are invariably pre-hopped, as you need to boil the hops to get the alpha acids for bitterness). Frankly, IMAO, the Cooper's kits are perhaps a bit too simplified, and not in a good way; they omit a lot of things which are really crucial to good brewing technique. You might consider a Brewer's Best or Northern Brewer kit, if you can get them, as they are a bit more involved but are still quite easy, or even consider going through the Recipes section here and find one you can try putting together yourself.

Bonden3000 03-18-2013 10:31 PM

Second fermentation? i only have one bucket.

I think Ive read somewhere that you could replace the enhancer with plain sugar?

i used the yeast from the kit

My temp. was 21C (from denmark, sorry)

@union: Im not ready to experiment just yet. i really need to get this right. Do you have second fermentation.

@MX1: 21 days at each step. sound easy. But it is definitely not what the box is saying:)

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