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Old 02-09-2013, 01:18 AM   #21
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If someone stole a car and sold it to you, would you expect the car dealership to pay you to return the car? Clearly not, so why do you expect something different from a brewery?
It's true that he should at least get the deposit back... I mean he did return kegs that had deposits on them, they owe him that much.
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Old 02-09-2013, 04:50 AM   #22
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If someone stole a car and sold it to you, would you expect the car dealership to pay you to return the car? Clearly not, so why do you expect something different from a brewery?
Ok sorry to the op this has gotten out of hand but,

Stealing a car and PAYING for a deposit on a keg is different. I have been through these debates before. The company is willing to take a loss of a keg for a deposit otherwise it wouldnt have one. The company is saying this keg is worth $35 to me. If u want it take it and pay me my $35. There is no way a brewery is paying $120 for a keg and putting a $35 deposit on it.

If I buy a full keg of bud for $79 +35 for deposit and dont return it, the company is making money, otherwise the deposit would be $120!!!!!!!!!!

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:05 AM   #23
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Found this great deal on a car the other day, $20k for a brand new Ferrari. The guy looked a little shady, but hey, I'm just the consumer.
If I buy a ferrari for $20 grand and its stolen I give it back and lose my money. If Budweiser wants a keg back with a hole cut in the top ill give it back. It wont be stolen scince I paid Budweiser for a deposit on MY keg.

You can buy a keg and if anything happens, you already paid your deposit on it, "just in case".

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The cost of the keg is not included in the purchase price of the keg.
That you are right! You have to pay additional money for a deposit on a keg, if you buy one. That additional money is for if the keg doesn't return, or returns in bad shape and is unuseable.
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Old 02-09-2013, 12:48 PM   #24
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Its all true except that deposit doesnt cover the price brewery paid for the keg, deposit its just there to motivate ppl to return it. Its a business model that was working well (and probably still does except for small % of occasions) until ppl found other use for the kegs.

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It works out because the kegs have no value to about 99.9% of people. This allows them to set the deposit amount at a level people are willing to pay and that provides sufficient motivation for them to return the keg.

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If I buy a ferrari for $20 grand and its stolen I give it back and lose my money. If Budweiser wants a keg back with a hole cut in the top ill give it back. It wont be stolen scince I paid Budweiser for a deposit on MY keg.
First of all... it was a joke... reductio ad absurdum...

But since you have taken it so seriously, let's look at the car idea closer, a keg is more like a rental car than anything. If you rent a car, and then damage it, you are required to pay to fix it.... not just the deposit you put down on it. If you never bring the car back, you are a felon.

Illegal kegs are not a big deal, but as keg deposits have already gone up twice in recent years just because the price of the raw material went up, I would imagine that if more and more people continue to turn them into keggles, we might see the deposit increase by another $5. $5 is nothing, but to a brewery with a half million kegs floating around, $5 is an extra 2.5 million, way more than enough to re coupe from a few stolen kegs. Kegs are an asset to a brewery, I'm sure they have someone doing some team statistical analysis on every aspect of their business, including the deposit on kegs.

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As a side note. Just make sure your illegal kegs belong to BMC.... they make enough off of bad beer. Return the little guys kegs (even though they are always in much better shape).
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"The internet, honing pointless debate skills of bored people since 1994."

LOL so true

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Stealing a car and PAYING for a deposit on a keg is different. I have been through these debates before. The company is willing to take a loss of a keg for a deposit otherwise it wouldnt have one. The company is saying this keg is worth $35 to me. If u want it take it and pay me my $35. There is no way a brewery is paying $120 for a keg and putting a $35 deposit on it.
In many states the deposit is decided by law, and not the brewery. And in those states the breweries have been lobbying to increase the deposit since they lose so much money every time a keg gets stolen. And where they can set the deposit, many smaller breweries have found that distributors won't carry their beer if they charge a higher deposit than BMC, and simply have to charge a low deposit and hope that they don't lose too many kegs to theft.

I had to pay a $250 desposit on a rental car not long ago. Does that mean that the rental company is saying the car is worth $250 to them, and that if I give them $250 I can keep the car? If so, I think I may have discovered a new business opportunity.

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If I buy a full keg of bud for $79 +35 for deposit and dont return it, the company is making money, otherwise the deposit would be $120!!!!!!!!!!
Not true. Many breweries lose money on the sale of a keg of beer if the keg doesn't return to them. Kegs cost the breweries ~$100 each on average, and the profit per keg is often less than the difference between the deposit and the cost of a replcement keg. According to the brewers association, on average it results in a net loss to the brewery every time a keg doesn't return.

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Boulder, CO • January 28, 2013 – The Brewers Association (BA)—the not-for-profit trade association dedicated to small and independent American craft brewers—today launched KegReturn.com, a site that provides tools to help consumers, homebrewers, retailers, wholesalers, brewers and scrap yards redirect kegs back to the breweries that own the kegs.

Kegs are always the property of the brewery which purchased them and filled them with beer. Many kegs disappear as a result of accidental mishandling, while others go missing due to intentional misappropriation. KegReturn.com offers a convenient way for kegs to get returned to their proper owner.

“Craft beer sales have grown tremendously over the past decade, which means the number of kegs owned by brewers has increased as well,” said Paul Gatza, director of the Brewers Association. “Keg disappearances and the resulting profit loss are hindering opportunities for craft brewers. We must ensure kegs are returned to their owners, it’s the right thing to do.”

According to the Brewers Association, keg loss costs craft brewers between $0.46 and $1.37 per-barrel of annual keg production. Assuming 2011 craft beer sales of 11.5 million barrels, that is a total direct capital charge to craft brewers of $5.3 million and $15.8 million annually. Lost kegs act as an enormous additional and unintended tax on beer, ultimately having a direct impact on job growth and profit reduction for brewers, wholesalers and retailers.

“Understanding the issue at hand is a vital part of finding a solution,” said Ken Grossman of Sierra Nevada Brewing Company and BA Technical Committee chair. “The online resource at KegReturn.com allows people to contact the brewery or their local distributor to return kegs back to the brewery to be filled again with beer. We call on beer lovers and people in the trade to help reunite kegs with their owners.”

For more information on keg etiquette, the keg return program, or for registration, visit: http://www.kegreturn.com/
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This is just my opinion, but if a big liquor store can sell you empty kegs, it is not the customers fault if its right or wrong. Maybe they should be holding the liquor store accountable. No offence to anyone but I dont care if Budweiser loses $65 on a keg, the company is rich, they dont care about me, why should I give a crap about them.

I know im gonna qet quoted and ripped apart but you know what, thats how I feel.

Now this thread is not to debate this. I believe the OP was asking a price on some kegs. We can keep debating this but it should be done somewhere eles.

I stand by what I said if you can get a keg for its deposit I say do it. $35 for a almost brand new keg. And who knows they may have some that the tops were damaged and they are no good.

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End of debate. No more. The legalities and ethics of used kegs was covered.

Back to the OP's question. I'd say 2 kegs for $100 is a good deal.

Further, I would suggest not taking kegs that don't have flat sides. I.e., I think Coors kegs are more barrel shaped, which cause all sorts of problems (might not be Coors, but you get the idea).
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