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Old 09-25-2012, 05:18 AM   #1
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Default Hop combination, too much???

Firstly thanks for all the help I get off this site , really helpful and has eased my worries more than once at this stage.. I'm a few batches into extract brewing ..

Ok I got some hops I don't usually have, I researched them but wanted to experiment so I threw them in the following recipe and I have no clue how these hops will work out. I'm happy to wait and see but I just curious if I have gone a little wayward ! Thanks for any opinions or comments.
500g Munich
500g caramunich
500g carahell

3kg dme

60 mins 1 oz Columbus
45 mins 1 oz northern brewer
30 mins 1 oz challenger
5 mins 1 oz goldings
1 min 1 oz goldings

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Old 09-25-2012, 05:43 AM   #2
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No way. 86 the 45 min addition though. Add it closer to the end of the boil.

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Old 09-25-2012, 07:05 AM   #3
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I had to google 86 it haha. You think it is wasted at 45??

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Old 09-25-2012, 10:49 AM   #4
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Yes. I think your 30m is kind of a waste as well. Move it to either 60m or 20m and later. Better yet 15m and later.

I believe most hop additions between 60m and 15m to be kind of a waste. You don't get much bettering and most of the flavor and aroma boil off.

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Old 09-25-2012, 11:57 AM   #5
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I'm a beginner too, but my understanding is that hops added at the beginning of the boil contribute bitterness (it takes a long boil to break down the alpha acids and make them water-soluble), but the long boil also either destroys or disperses the fragile oils that give the hop aroma and flavor. I don't think flavor matters much for the bittering hops; generally you want to use a relatively inexpensive hop with a high percentage of alpha acids, entirely for cost savings (somebody feel free to correct me if that isn't accurate). Save the hops with a great flavor/aroma for closer to the end of the boil.

Therefore it makes sense to decide whether you want to use a given hop for bittering or for aroma or flavor (or all of the above). But add them either at the beginning or somewhere in the last 15 minutes; if you add them in the middle you're not getting as much bitterness out of them as you could (and could therefore achieve the same by adding fewer hops sooner), while you're also boiling away all the flavor.

In other words, you can use the same hop for both bittering and flavor--just add it twice (once at the beginning and again toward the end of the boil).

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Old 09-25-2012, 12:41 PM   #6
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Try this:

60 Northern Brewer
20 Columbus
10 Goldings
1 Goldings
Dry hop Challenger

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Old 09-25-2012, 02:45 PM   #7
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I know you didn't ask about the grain bill but you've got a kg of caramel malt there - over 20%. I'd back that down a bit so as not to be overly sweet if you're going for a hoppy beer.

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Old 09-25-2012, 05:01 PM   #8
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I know you didn't ask about the grain bill but you've got a kg of caramel malt there - over 20%. I'd back that down a bit so as not to be overly sweet if you're going for a hoppy beer.
I just steep these for 30 mins before the boil. I didn't realize it would sweeten it up. Any advice on how to change it a bit ? For a hoppy beer. Thanks a million .
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:28 PM   #9
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I wouldn't say the hops in the mid-range are wasted. Dogfish 60 or 90 (or even 120 if you're state allows it :-p) are all continuously hopped and the flavor profile that develops is definitely different than what you can get using only early and late additions.

Granted, I've never done a 1:1 comparison with homebrew, but I have to believe it all depends how complex of a flavor you're looking for.

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60 minute additions a waste? That's the bittering addition & it's a given that you get no flavor from that one. But 45 & 30 I def concider a waste. You're getting more bittering,& at 30 you get about as much bittering as flavor. Do 60 & 20 minute additions,even a 10 minute one. Imo,a 1 minute addition isn't giving much of anything. If I want aroma,I dry hop 1 week. I don't add hops belw 8 to 10 minutes in the boil. Dpending on how many additions I'm doing.
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