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Old 01-17-2012, 09:46 PM   #1
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Default Hop bittering vs Hop Flavor; Beers to try?

When someone says that the hops you add at the beginning give the beer bitterness to balance the sweetness of the malt, and the late hops add hop flavor and aroma, what is the difference?

In my mind, the hop flavor itself is bitter. Is there a commercial/craft beer I could try that has little to no early hop addition but late hop additions and then one that has early and late so I can taste the difference?

I'm having difficulty picking out the bitter flavor separate from the floral flavor of hops. Is this a stupid question because their isn't a difference?

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+1. I'm struggling with wrapping my mind around how different hops at different times do different things to different beers.

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i suggest some basic reading about beer and brewing. 'the complete joy.....' by papazian and 'how to brew' by palmer both go into this. you can find the first edition of 'how to brew' online for free at howtobrew.com, although i do recommend the third edition because the first has some dated material that palmer has since changed in the later edition.

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The problem with your plan is that hop aroma and flavor fade over time. I think it unlikely that you can find a commercial beer with only late hop additions; it would be tough for them to brew, condition, store, ship, and serve a consistent product.

In Chicago, there are a number of brewpubs where you can get fresh beers. Piece, Revolution, and Goose Island off the top of my head. Go do some research! Have a conversation with the bartender, or the cute waitress, or both. Get thee to a pubbery!

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for me I can tell the difference by drinking a Pale Ale compared to an IPA. With a pale ale you will notice more flavor hops and less bitterness, with an IPA you will get more sharp bitterness along with the flavor and hop aroma. Try buying a specific brand of pale ale and compare it to their IPA. You should notice a big difference in the bitterness.

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^^ Yes, for example SNPA vs. Torpedo would be one way to try it.

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I think some of the Firestone Walker pale ale-type beers derive much of their character from Whirlpool additions.

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I also think a decent example of this is Sweetwater's 420(an extra pale ale, and one of my favorite session beers) vs. their IPA. The 420 has great hop flavor, fresh and citrusy, with slight bitterness while you can notice more hop bitterness in the IPA. Sweetwater is out of Atlanta but I'm not sure if they distribute much outside of the southeast.

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i suggest some basic reading about beer and brewing. 'the complete joy.....' by papazian and 'how to brew' by palmer both go into this. you can find the first edition of 'how to brew' online for free at howtobrew.com, although i do recommend the third edition because the first has some dated material that palmer has since changed in the later edition.
Thanks (again) Nordeast. Both books are in the mail so should have that soon As to everyone else, thanks for the beer suggestions, I know my local beer store has Sierra Nevada and Sweetwater, and I love the Goose Island breweries definitely need to go do some research
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...In Chicago, there are a number of brewpubs where you can get fresh beers. Piece, Revolution, and Goose Island off the top of my head. Go do some research! Have a conversation with the bartender, or the cute waitress, or both. Get thee to a pubbery!
I can't speak for the other two, but from experience everyone I've ever spoken with at Goose Island were very knowledgeable.

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