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Old 07-02-2009, 04:41 AM   #1
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I know I'm a noob but have some questions. I want to make this recipe. I only have a 3.5 gallon pot, can I add water to the fermentor to bring to 5 gallons when done? That is what I had to do with my last kit batch. Under my mash what does that mean? Also for the recipe how long do we steep the grains and at what temp? When do we add the extract? I get the hop schedule we steep 1 oz for 60 mins, at 50 we add 1 oz cascades 1 oz coriander seed 10z irish moss and 2oz orange peel, at 55 we add another oz, and at 59 we add the last oz. Is this correct? Sorry for the newbish questions but I just tried my first kit batch and it was awful, way to bitter I think I left them in to long and it sucks waiting 2 months to find out you did something wrong. This time I'm asking questions. Thanks

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Batch Size: 5.00 gal
Boil Size: 6.41 gal
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 7.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 32.0 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

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Amount Item
3 lbs Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM)
4 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM)
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)
1 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM)
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) (First Wort)
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min)
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (5 min)
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (1 min)
1.00 oz Coriander Seed (Boil 10.0 min)
1.00 tsp Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min)
2.00 oz Orange Peel, Sweet (Boil 10.0 min)
2 Pkgs SafAle English Ale (DCL Yeast #S-04)


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 6.00 lb
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My Mash
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
55 min Step Add 7.50 qt of water at 164.8 F 153.0 F

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Old 07-02-2009, 05:35 AM   #2
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You don't have a big enough pot to do a mash. You can add water to bring it up to 5 gals. no problem. It's just with a mash you need a minimum amount of water to make it work. I don't think your ready for that. The recipe you posted will require 1.8 gallons of water for the mash, and 3 gallons for sparging. You simple don't have a big enough pot.

Hop additions. I think you understand the hop additions correctly. With the recipe you posted, it works like this. Set your timer for 60 minutes. When the timer says 60 (when you push start) add 1 oz of cascade. When the timer gets down to 10 add 1 oz. When the timer gets down to 5, add 1 oz. When the timer gets down to 1 add 1 oz. When the timer rings take the pot off the burner. Don't keep boiling it after the 60 minutes is up. When you add hops, they stay in the whole time. So your first hop addition will be in for 60 minutes, and your second hop addition will be in for 10, etc. Does that make sense.

You said the kit you tried was too bitter. The recipe you posted may be quite bitter for your tastes, as it has a lot of hops in it. I don't know what your tastes are. The bitterness is kind of middle of the road. If you only drink Miller lite, it will probably seem very bitter, if you only drink IPAs it may seem very mild. Why don't you let us help you pick a kit or recipe that will suite your tastes? What are some commercial beers you like?

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Old 07-02-2009, 05:47 AM   #3
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Agreed... this recipe seems like it would be quite bitter, not sour, but bitter. Sometimes people confuse those sensations. It does sound delicious though. What's the kit/recipe? I love marris otter malt.

Don't be ashamed to stick to more simple kits before jumping into a recipe like this one. Extract kits make perfectly drinkable beer while you learn the ins and outs of the process and upgrade your gear.

I brewed professionally for a while and still make extract brews at home. There is no shame in it what-so-ever.

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Old 07-02-2009, 02:14 PM   #4
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This is a Blue Moon Clone, which I really enjoy Blue Moon. My first kit beer I am pretty sure I simply left the hops in for too long. My directions stunk and I'm pretty sure that is why it ended up being overly bitter, I think I left them in 10mins to long. As for the pot problem I thought that might be a problem. I can probably get a bigger pot.

Beers I like: Most Great lakes, Sam Adams, Blue Moon, Killians Irish Red, Magic Hat

My first batch turned out really, really bitter

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This is a Blue Moon Clone, which I really enjoy Blue Moon. My first kit beer I am pretty sure I simply left the hops in for too long. My directions stunk and I'm pretty sure that is why it ended up being overly bitter, I think I left them in 10mins to long. As for the pot problem I thought that might be a problem. I can probably get a bigger pot.

Beers I like: Most Great lakes, Sam Adams, Blue Moon, Killians Irish Red, Magic Hat

My first batch turned out really, really bitter
Well, even leaving hops in "10 minutes too long" shouldn't cause any bitterness.

I think 6 pounds of grain is kind of a lot for a partial mash, if your pot is so small, but I'll try to give it a shot and help you out. That recipe looks like it came from Beersmith- is that on your computer? If it is, change the boil volume to "2.5 gallons" to help get the right IBUs. Also, for a partial-mash, your efficiency should be lower, so you probably won't get an OG of 1.060.

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Type: Partial Mash
Batch Size: 5.00 gal

Boil Size: 2.50 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 60.00
3 lbs Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 33.33 %
4 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 44.44 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 11.11 %
1 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 11.11 %

1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 11.4 IBU I would change this to .50 ounces or .75 ounce, if you don't want it bitter

1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 3.7 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (5 min) Hops 2.1 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (1 min) Hops 0.4 IBU
spices and others

Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Est Color: 7.2 SRM

Put the grains in a grain bag, and bring 7.5 quarts of water to 165 degrees. Add the grains and stir well, keeping the grains "loose" in the bag to thoroughly soak them. Check the temperature, and keep this mash at 152 degrees for 60 minutes. When finished, lift out the grain bag (put it in a strainer over the pot) and pour 170 degree water over it to get to your boil volume. Add the first cascade hops and bring to a boil. (That's what "first wort hops" are- you add them to the wort before you boil it).

After it gets to a boil, start your timer for 60 minutes, and then add the rest of the hops and spices on schedule. With the 10 minute hops, add the DME. That is called "late extract addition" and works well for such small boils.

If you can get a bigger pot, you can follow the same procedure, but you don't need more than 7.5 quarts for the mash. You can just add more water to the sparge water- the 170 degree water you're pouring over the grains. If you don't have a strainer, you can simply take that grain bag and dunk it in 170 degree water in a separate pot and then combine the liquids. Either way is fine.

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The excessive bitterness in your first batch may have been the "extract twang" some people notice in their first few partial-boil batches. This seems to be caused by very high concentration extract boiled too vigorously, which can scorch or caramelize some of the sugars. For your next batch try adding half of your extract at the beginning and half about 15 minutes before the end. Make sure you take the pot off the heat and stir really well to avoid scorching or sticking. Also keep your heat in check, make sure you have a nice rolling boil but that the wort isn't trying to jump out of the pot.

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This is a Blue Moon Clone, which I really enjoy Blue Moon. My first kit beer I am pretty sure I simply left the hops in for too long. My directions stunk and I'm pretty sure that is why it ended up being overly bitter, I think I left them in 10mins to long. As for the pot problem I thought that might be a problem. I can probably get a bigger pot.

Beers I like: Most Great lakes, Sam Adams, Blue Moon, Killians Irish Red, Magic Hat

My first batch turned out really, really bitter
Is the recipe you posted suppose to be a Blue Moon clone? Is this what you made, that is too bitter? Or is this what you want to try next?
Just from looking at your recipe, I can tell you it's not going to taste like a blue moon. Way too bitter for a Blue Moon. The bitterness of your recipe is 32 IBUs. A Blue Moon is more like 14 IBUs.

I've made a pretty good Magic Hat #9 clone. I got the recipe out of the book Clone Brews.
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The excessive bitterness in your first batch may have been the "extract twang" some people notice in their first few partial-boil batches. This seems to be caused by very high concentration extract boiled too vigorously, which can scorch or caramelize some of the sugars. For your next batch try adding half of your extract at the beginning and half about 15 minutes before the end. Make sure you take the pot off the heat and stir really well to avoid scorching or sticking. Also keep your heat in check, make sure you have a nice rolling boil but that the wort isn't trying to jump out of the pot.

Yes when I did my first batch I added all the extracts at the same time. There was no sticking but I did "boil" not just a rolling boil. It turned out very bitter and sour tasting, almost like something spoiled. It's hard to explain but it's pretty gross.
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Thanks, I do not have Beersmith, I got the recipe out of the recipe section forum. This is an awesome step by step, I appreciate you taking the time to type all that out.

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Well, even leaving hops in "10 minutes too long" shouldn't cause any bitterness.

I think 6 pounds of grain is kind of a lot for a partial mash, if your pot is so small, but I'll try to give it a shot and help you out. That recipe looks like it came from Beersmith- is that on your computer? If it is, change the boil volume to "2.5 gallons" to help get the right IBUs. Also, for a partial-mash, your efficiency should be lower, so you probably won't get an OG of 1.060.

Here's my thoughts:
Type: Partial Mash
Batch Size: 5.00 gal

Boil Size: 2.50 gal
Boil Time: 60 min
Brewhouse Efficiency: 60.00
3 lbs Light Dry Extract (8.0 SRM) Dry Extract 33.33 %
4 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 44.44 %
1 lbs Caramel/Crystal Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 11.11 %
1 lbs Vienna Malt (3.5 SRM) Grain 11.11 %

1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (60 min) (First Wort Hop) Hops 11.4 IBU I would change this to .50 ounces or .75 ounce, if you don't want it bitter

1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 3.7 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (5 min) Hops 2.1 IBU
1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (1 min) Hops 0.4 IBU
spices and others

Est Original Gravity: 1.053 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.014 SG
Est Color: 7.2 SRM

Put the grains in a grain bag, and bring 7.5 quarts of water to 165 degrees. Add the grains and stir well, keeping the grains "loose" in the bag to thoroughly soak them. Check the temperature, and keep this mash at 152 degrees for 60 minutes. When finished, lift out the grain bag (put it in a strainer over the pot) and pour 170 degree water over it to get to your boil volume. Add the first cascade hops and bring to a boil. (That's what "first wort hops" are- you add them to the wort before you boil it).

After it gets to a boil, start your timer for 60 minutes, and then add the rest of the hops and spices on schedule. With the 10 minute hops, add the DME. That is called "late extract addition" and works well for such small boils.

If you can get a bigger pot, you can follow the same procedure, but you don't need more than 7.5 quarts for the mash. You can just add more water to the sparge water- the 170 degree water you're pouring over the grains. If you don't have a strainer, you can simply take that grain bag and dunk it in 170 degree water in a separate pot and then combine the liquids. Either way is fine.

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Yes when I did my first batch I added all the extracts at the same time. There was no sticking but I did "boil" not just a rolling boil. It turned out very bitter and sour tasting, almost like something spoiled. It's hard to explain but it's pretty gross.
You need a rolling boil when you brew. Not so vigorous that you boil off all of the wort in the pot, but it needs to be vigorously boiling.

You can add the extract with 15 minutes left in the boil, and that helps.

The IBUs in a partial boil are different, depending on how much extract is boiled along with the hops. That's why I suggested adding only .50 ounces of cascade at the beginning.

That recipe isn't really a Blue Moon clone- way too much in the way of hopping. It'll be like an American pale ale, (kinda like Sierra Nevada) but with some orange and coriander. Where did you find the recipe?
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