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TREMBLE 09-21-2006 07:07 PM

Getting Confused
Hi guys, I am really starting to get a bit confused and hope you can help me out a little.

First off I am based in Scotland (from Ireland) and have recently started brewing(4 kits so far.) However what kit means to me does not seem to apply to Americans. The kits I have been using are a single tin of gloop, you add 6 pints boiling water and 1kg of brewing sugar then top up to 23 litres and sprinkle on yeast. An example of these kits is www.coopers.com.au/homebrew/hbrew.php?pid=1&id=116 so far these have turned out pretty well but I really want to try making my own receipes.

I have heard of partial mashing all grain etc but am a little confused as to what to do next. I have read palmers guide and the extract kit he does in the getting started section seems like where I should be heading, however no where over here seems to sell ingrediant kits the way most American homebrew shops do (I looked at a few American shops)

Anyone know why I cant find ingrediant kits already packaged in the UK? I would like to try a few like that to get used to boiling ingrediants before I start trying to buy bulk packs and making my own receipes.

Thanks for any help, TREMBLE.

david_42 09-21-2006 07:21 PM

Typically, the next step from what you've been doing would be steeping specialty grains along with the extract. If there is homebrew store in your area try talking to them about putting a recipe together. I've gotten the impression that the homebrewing industry in the UK is on the decline, so you may be stuck with the tins.

sonvolt 09-21-2006 07:23 PM

Start by doing a few batches with added specialty grains, so that you get used to doing grains. Then, jump full-bitch into all grain - no need for partial mash.

Start by getting a kit that contains specialty, steeping grains. Crush the grains and put them in a grain bag. Then, put this bag into your cold water and let it steep until the temp hits 150 degrees. Then, take out the grain, pour in your extract and brew on.

Another step to take now is to choose non-hopped kits, so that you get used to adding hops at different times in the boil.

There are a lot of kits out there that fit my recommendations above.

Just my .02

TheJadedDog 09-21-2006 07:36 PM

I'm starting to think kits are a little overrated, there's no reason why you can't read a recipe you want to try and buy the ingredients a la carte rather than in a prepackaged kit. The kits just seem to be about having the right quantity of ingredients measured out, but, at least in the US, you can buy your ingredients at just about whatever quantity you want.

It might be more expensive to buy open stock, but the results might be better as you can tailor your beer a little bit more.

TREMBLE 09-21-2006 07:54 PM

I dont have a LHBS unfortunately, they really are not to common over here. I have got all my stuff online so far.

With everything I have been doing so far I have NO boiling involved, other than adding boiling water to the cans contents in the fermentor. I really like hoppy pale ales so had thought a good next step would be to try Palmers receipe from his guide but looking for the ingredients has not been easy, especially when I dont really know what I am doing. :(

Do you guys not use the canned kits much? As you dont need to boil ingredients you dont need anything other than a fermintation bin to get started. Now that I want to progress a bit I am feeling a little unsure of how to progress, looking at your sites such as MoreBeer makes me wonder why the hell we dont have people selling like this over here, these are exactly the types of kits I am after.

valhallan 09-21-2006 07:59 PM

Sorry I can't help, but just wanted to comment that it's surprising to hear homebrewing isn't very popular in the UK. I wonder why...?

Walker 09-21-2006 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by valhallan
Sorry I can't help, but just wanted to comment that it's surprising to hear homebrewing isn't very popular in the UK. I wonder why...?

... because there is a pub on every corner that serves excellent beer?


valhallan 09-21-2006 08:17 PM


Originally Posted by Walker-san
... because there is a pub on every corner that serves excellent beer?


Ah, that would be a good reason indeed! :tank:

TheJadedDog 09-21-2006 08:42 PM

Ah...pub on every corner, now those folks know how to spend an evening.

Getting back to the question at hand... I know www.northernbrewer.com ships internationally. While I'm sure this is an added expense, it's always a possibility. Other than that I'm not really sure.

Brewnurse 09-21-2006 08:51 PM

Just a quick search and I found these sites, they do have specialty grains that you could order separately. However! I just spoke to Beer Beer and More Beer here in California. They have a great website and DO ship internationally! I didn't think they would but I was wrong. Now, I would question if the yeast would make the trip, so you may have to find your own yeast over there, and not bread yeast. Probably one of the sites below. But, learn haw to do a starter and check out if the yeast survive the trip. Hope that helps!

Oh ya!......UP MAYO! :mug:


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