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Old 04-18-2010, 04:38 AM   #1
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Default first time kegging, i got some questions...

finally got my 5 gallon corny kegging equipment set up and ready to do this, i got some questions though.
ive read probably 101 different ways to force carbonate and now im feelin a little confused. first, ive already read the sticky by Bobby_M and decided i want to use the boost carb method. my concern, i called the person i purchased the kegging from and he suggested he never heard of people putting there psi up to 20-30psi to get it carbed. he said if i did that my beer would stay over-carbed then go flat? he said just to leave it at 10psi for a week or two and it should be fine. ideally, i want my brew ready in about 5 days. ive read and heard too much about the boost carb method so im going to go with it anyway. so now, i want my brew ready in 5 days. what would be a good psi to go with? (ive already checked out the charts as well). i have an ipa, temp. at about 38F. i was thinking maybe like 20psi for 5 days, then dropping it to 10psi for serving. sound good? someone kick me some feedback about this cause im starting to spin in circles reading all the methods of force carbonation.

next question. i feel kinda dumb asking this, but im still unsure.
when i connect my co2 and hold my psi for X amount of days, serve my first brew(s), after this do i leave the gas running constantely? should i be turning it off when im not using it or will my beer go flat? after carbonation do i leave to co2 running 24/7 or do i turn it off and turn it back on every time i want to pour myself a beer? im not sure if leaving co2 going is going to empty my tank or if turning it off is going to make my beer flat. thanks in advance...

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Old 04-18-2010, 05:28 AM   #2
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Don't boost carb unless you absolutely must have it carbed immediately. It makes for an inferior beer and is easy to overcarb, then you spend days trying to balance it again. Just set it to serving pressure and leave it. It will be carbed enough to drink in 5 days, but at 2 weeks it will be perfect wih no hassle. You should leave the tank open, yes, or it will go flat. You won't use up much gas unless you have a leak.

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Old 04-18-2010, 05:39 AM   #3
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Don't boost carb unless you absolutely must have it carbed immediately. It makes for an inferior beer and is easy to overcarb, then you spend days trying to balance it again. Just set it to serving pressure and leave it. It will be carbed enough to drink in 5 days, but at 2 weeks it will be perfect wih no hassle. You should leave the tank open, yes, or it will go flat. You won't use up much gas unless you have a leak.
cool, so you think about 10-12psi is good? the guy i bought it from said to leave the gas going. the reason im confused on leaving the gas on/off was cause of this statement from NB link-
"once your beer is carbonated you must always shut off the gas to your keg. if not, the beer will over-carbonate".

on the link its toward the bottom of the page under kegging-


http://www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/Kegging.pdf
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Old 04-18-2010, 05:51 AM   #4
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Don't boost carb unless you absolutely must have it carbed immediately. It makes for an inferior beer and is easy to overcarb, then you spend days trying to balance it again. Just set it to serving pressure and leave it. It will be carbed enough to drink in 5 days, but at 2 weeks it will be perfect wih no hassle. You should leave the tank open, yes, or it will go flat. You won't use up much gas unless you have a leak.
Thats interesting. Ive "set it and forget it" and force carbonated and havent noticed one being inferior to another. Do you have any info/literature to support that force carbonated beer is inferior?

+1 on leaving the tank open
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Old 04-18-2010, 06:12 AM   #5
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yes, always leave it on. I also force carb. I know people will frown upon it, but you can carb it in a day or two. I set mine to like 40 and rock it back and forth for about five minutes to let the carbonation sink in. I then leave it overnight at 40. The next morning put it on like 10 and I am good to go. It may be hard to get the exact about of carb you want but it has worked out fine for me. You can look up force carbing on youtube and watch some videos of people doing it.

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If you follow this carbonation table you will never go wrong. It is physically impossible to over carbonate a beer if you set the pressure according to your serving temperature.

I typically hit my kegs with 20 PSI for 2 days at 36F and then dial down to appropriate pressure for the style. If I had more than one tap then I wouldn't bother with the boost carb.

In short, leave the gas on.

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If you follow this carbonation table you will never go wrong. It is physically impossible to over carbonate a beer if you set the pressure according to your serving temperature.
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FWIW, I usually rack to keg, cool to serving temp, hook up gas to keg and set pressure to achieve desired carb level, shake 15-20 mins, let keg sit overnight, and its ready to serve next day.

Heres a cool site that I use with some usuful charts and calculators http://www.iancrockett.com/brewing/info/forcecarb.shtml
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+2 on the carb table. The kegerator one the link goes to is the best I've seen.

If your timeline is five days, I would crank the gas up, shake and roll it for 10 minutes, turn the gas down to 12 or whatever (depending on your temp as per the carb table) and leave it. In five days you'll be golden. If you're worried in the meantime you can shake and roll it a few times in the interim.

When it comes time to serve, remember to turn your gas off, bleed your corney, and serve around 2 psi so your beer doesn't come out too fast (resulting in a glass of foam with an inch of beer at the bottom). A neat little trick is to pour 3/4 of your pint at low pressure then the last bit at maybe 10 psi so you get a nice head. It may take a few tries to get just right, but for someone kegging for the first time getting the right "pour" can be frustrating. Leave the gas too high and you have a pint of foam with an inch of beer at the bottom. Yes, the beer comes up but it's embarassing not to mention frustrating. Pour all the way at 2psi and you end up with no head, less frustrating but also potentially embarassing.

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+2 on the carb table. The kegerator one the link goes to is the best I've seen.

If your timeline is five days, I would crank the gas up, shake and roll it for 10 minutes, turn the gas down to 12 or whatever (depending on your temp as per the carb table) and leave it. In five days you'll be golden. If you're worried in the meantime you can shake and roll it a few times in the interim.

When it comes time to serve, remember to turn your gas off, bleed your corney, and serve around 2 psi so your beer doesn't come out too fast (resulting in a glass of foam with an inch of beer at the bottom). A neat little trick is to pour 3/4 of your pint at low pressure then the last bit at maybe 10 psi so you get a nice head. It may take a few tries to get just right, but for someone kegging for the first time getting the right "pour" can be frustrating. Leave the gas too high and you have a pint of foam with an inch of beer at the bottom. Yes, the beer comes up but it's embarassing not to mention frustrating. Pour all the way at 2psi and you end up with no head, less frustrating but also potentially embarassing.

Good luck!
this is what im confused about. why would i turn off the gas? i thought i leave the gas going until my beer is gone? and bleeding the corney, wouldnt that result in waste of the carbonation i put forth?
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why would i turn off the gas?
Because you don't want to do that. AKA bad information.
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