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jhmills1981 02-07-2013 11:48 PM

First Time Brewer: Hops or not?
Second post here (after introduction post). I have all my equipment ready, and the ingredients for my first brew should be here on Monday. Just had a few quick questions.

I will be making 5-gallons of a pilsner using Muntons Export Pilsner Connoisseurs (3.3lbs), and Briess Pilsen Light DME 2 Lb. I have my trust "The Complete Joy of Homebrewing" and am starting with their beginner recipe since I thought it would be best to do a simple, successful recipe to get some confidence under my belt.

I will be placing those ingredients in 1.5 gallons of boiling water for 45 minutes and then following the "standard" procedures for fermenting and such. Does that recipe seem to be ok?

Also, I picked up an ounce of Cascade Leaf Hops and was thinking about seeping them. Being my first time, how much time should I steep them at the end of the brew for a mild bitterness? Or should I not use them at all?

Thank you in advance for the help. It's great to have such a great forum.

Johnny Mills

jakenbacon 02-07-2013 11:50 PM

I vote for hops :) Someone will tune in soon on as to how much.... Good luck broham.....

KeystoneHomebrew 02-07-2013 11:51 PM

You're going to get a good beer making it by the book. But for some mild bitterness, I'd take about a quarter of your cascade and add it at the beginning of the boil. Since you've got it, I'd split the remaining 3/4 into two piles, and add one each the last 10 minutes and last minute of the boil. Get yourself a nice Pale Ale out of the mix!

jhmills1981 02-08-2013 12:02 AM

Sounds great! I think I'll try that. REALLY looking forward to it. Thank you both for the comments. I'll let you know how it turns out. Cheers!

RichBenn 02-08-2013 12:02 AM

I have to ask, not having read the book (well, maybe a long time ago), but are you doing a lager yeast? When one says Pilsner, that means doing a lager yeast, and lagering is more complicated because of temperature control.

You can brew anything with ale yeast, such as US-05, which ferments well at 60-72 degrees (keep on the cooler end!). It won't taste the same exactly, but it'll be close and the temperature is easier to manage.

Follow KeystoneHomebrew's suggest for the hops for now. Can I assume the Munton's extract is already hopped? (Sorry, been a while since I've used them)

For 1.5 gallons, however, the amount of malt extract (liquid and dry) is too much. Does the procedure have you mix it with more cold water(boiled and then cooled) before fermenting? If not, it's not going to be right, IMHO.

jhmills1981 02-08-2013 12:07 AM

Well don't I look like an idiot. ha. I know nothing about pilsners. I am new to the world of "good" beer. Still figuring out the difference in types of beer. Lagers versus Ales, etc. And I was going to use an ale yeast. I'm not trying to make the best beer in the world, just trying to make my first. ;)

The Muntons Export Pilsner Connoisseurs is already hopped. And yes, I would be mixing it with 3 gallons of cold water in my carboy.

Thanks for the advice. I know I have A LOT to learn.

jhmills1981 02-08-2013 01:17 PM

Any chance an ale yeast won't work with a Pilsner LME?

KeystoneHomebrew 02-08-2013 01:23 PM

The yeast included in that kit (I've made it several times) is in fact an ale yeast. That seems kinda weird, but they know a new brewer isn't going to have a dedicated fridge to ferment a lager in.

The procedure how you have it is fine. You can stuff about 7 pounds of extract into 1.5 gallons of hot water, so you're well under that.

Hogarthe 02-08-2013 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by jhmills1981 (Post 4879441)
Any chance an ale yeast won't work with a Pilsner LME?

it will work just fine. pilsner malt is called that because it was originally made in Pilsn. it was used for making pilsner style beer, but it can be used in any beer.

HeadyKilowatt 02-08-2013 01:26 PM

Yeast is yeast, and sugar is sugar. Any yeast will eat any simple sugar. Ale yeast will happily munch on Pilsner LME. With reference to LME, the word "Pilsner" just means it's light-colored. Go for it with some US-05 (or whatever comes with the kit) and get a nice pale/blonde ale.

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