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Old 05-10-2010, 07:01 PM   #1
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Hello all, just joined yesterday.

My first batch was Cooper's IPA extract, and it came out pretty good, considering. I naively watered it down to 6 gallons, which gave me an OG of 40, and so it was understandably "weak" in every way, but otherwise drinkable. Apparently I'm capable of brewing something that at least resembles beer

My second batch didn't go so well. This one is a partial grain recipe IPA. Target OG is 68, and I got 60. I stopped it at 12, so I guess the ABV is 6-ish. But it tastes more like a hefe than anything else. Just no hop bitterness or aroma at all. I added 1/2 oz of pellet "magnum" at boil, 1/2 oz Cascade at 30 minutes, 1/2 oz Cascade at 15, and a full oz Cascade at 5 minutes. The claimed IBU is 68.8. I'm guessing this is more like IBU 11

I can think of a couple things I did that *might* not be right. First off, I wound up letting the hops sit around in the house for several hours in their boiling bags. Second, I boiled lightly with a lid. Sometimes I see people refer to a "rolling" boil, and that isn't what I did. I maintained 212* and watched the water churn a little, but that's it.

Do either of those things sound like a factor? What else could cause the hops to pretty much not do anything?

Should I try and dry hop the keg? How much should I toss in?

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Old 05-10-2010, 07:03 PM   #2
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The first IPA I brewed, I used a hop bag, and the hops were WAY too tight in the bags, and I think I lost almost all of my bitterness due to it. I use a very large bag now, and make sure the hops are loose in them, rather than compacted all to one end.

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agree with above post. also bittering hops is the 1st addition @60 min and I would think an IPA would use a full 1 oz not a 1/2....

I also have read and practice NOT using a lid unless I fear stuff getting in my wort (which is never....) I am not 100% sure on the reason but all the guru's say NO. good enough for me.

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You don't want to use a lid, because you're trying to drive/boil off DMS and other things that are off tasting in the wort. Capturing them with the lid defeats the purpose of the long boil.

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Was it a full boil?

If not you would really need to up your bittering hops.

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Was it a full boil?
As in a full hour? Yes.
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As in a full hour? Yes.
Full volume, not duration.
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As in a full hour? Yes.
I was actually asking if you boiled 6.5 gallons to reach a total of 5 or if you did a partial boil (1-3 gallons) and topped it off with cold water to reach your total volume.

When I first started I would do the partial boil of 3 gallons with extract and top it off with cold water to reach 5 gallons. I would have to up my bittering hops by an ounce or two depending on the recipe.
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Full volume, not duration.
Ah. Uh, I started around 4 gallons, then added the extracts. So it would have been close to 5 at start of boil. I needed quite a bit to get back to five when transferring to the fermenter, but I didn't pay much attention to how much.

So with a lower volume boil, I would need more hops?
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So with a lower volume boil, I would need more hops?
Yep. Others may have different opinions but in my experience adding additional water seems to hurt bittering hops much more than aroma. I find that I may need to add an extra ounce to the bittering addition but only a half ounce or so to the 15 minute addition.
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