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Old 12-31-2007, 02:30 AM   #1
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Default First IPA is Harsh!

I just bottled my first IPA. It was NB's Three Hearted Ale extract kit. Here are the ingredients:

Specialty Grains
* 1 lbs. Briess Caramel 40
Fermentables
* 9.15 lbs. Gold Malt Syrup
Boil Additions
* 1 oz. Centennial (60 min)
* 1 oz. Centennial (20 min)
* 2 oz. Centennial (5 min)
Special Ingredients
* 1 oz. Centennial Hops (dry hop)
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* Wyeast #1084 Irish Ale Yeast.

OG 1.064
FG 1.020

I bottled it on Dec. 19. I opened one today to see if it was carbonated. It was, but it was really harsh. The bitter was really bitter and the sweet was really sweet. I know I didn't get the percent attenuation I'm supposed to get with the yeast, but I wouldn't think that that would be the problem. It had a wonderful creamy head.

I've heard many times that IPAs are best when you let them age, but I had no idea it would taste like that when it was green. Wowzer! It tasted like I had just bitten into a Tylenol! Can I expect this to mellow?

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Yes it will mellow.

Try one every 2 weeks. You may need to leave it 3 months+

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def mellow over time-

Dont worry! But Id use a diff yeast next time. Not real pleased with the 1084

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It will mellow. Wait a couple weeks. Four oz. of Centenial is a lot of hops. Looks like a good IPA to me!

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Great!

I've been having trouble with every batch. Off flavors, low attenuation, etc. This was the first batch that I thought I had done everything right.

I pre-boiled my top-off water, I sanitized really well, I fermented at the right temp, I check all the gravity readings.

There was also this very slight off flavor on the first couple drinks, that I've had in every other beer, but it went away. I still haven't figured out what that is. Other people say they don't notice it, but I do. Maybe it's just in my head. I want to say that it is solventy, but part of me says that isn't it.

I've heard that solventy tastes come from stressed yeast, at too high a temperature. Could that flavor also come from low oxygenation to begin with? If so, that would agree with my low attenuation.

Now I just need something to drink in the mean time...

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In general, most beers will taste better if you let them age for a couple of months - IPA's included. The bitterness will mellow over time, but don't let it age too long or it will almost disappear altogether.

I'm a major hophead so I like to drink my APA/IPA/IIPA's while they're still a little green and the majority of the bitterness is still there to kick me in the arse.

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In general, most beers will taste better if you let them age for a couple of months - IPA's included. The bitterness will mellow over time, but don't let it age too long or it will almost disappear altogether.

I'm a major hophead so I like to drink my APA/IPA/IIPA's while they're still a little green and the majority of the bitterness is still there to kick me in the arse.
So, what exactly causes this? I know that the activity of the yeast causes the carbing, but why does the hop flavor change over time? Is it due to the yeast activity, or is there other chemical reactions occurring in the bottle as well?
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So, what exactly causes this? I know that the activity of the yeast causes the carbing, but why does the hop flavor change over time? Is it due to the yeast activity, or is there other chemical reactions occurring in the bottle as well?
It is my undertanding that the iso-alpha acids simply break down over time.

I had one of my APA's (65 IBU) a couple of days ago that was bottled 4 months ago and compared it to the same recipe from bottles that were only about 6 weeks old and there was a noticable difference in bitterness, flavor and aroma.
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It is my undertanding that the iso-alpha acids simply break down over time.

I had one of my APA's (65 IBU) a couple of days ago that was bottled 4 months ago and compared it to the same recipe from bottles that were only about 6 weeks old and there was a noticable difference in bitterness, flavor and aroma.
Interesting, thanks (I am a science geek as well as a beer snob). I have my first brew, an IPA in the fermenter now. I hope that it will be drinkable by the superbowl, but I guess I will just have to see.
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Two things strike me in what you said:

1) Bottled on the 19th and by the 30th, bottles are carb'd.
2) OG was 1.064, FG was 1.020

For a beer to only attenuate 68% before bottling and then be carb'd in less than two weeks, my fear is that you might have bottled with some residual sugars in the wort.

You're liable to have some gushers on your hand. What temp are you conditioning those bottles?

As far as the hops bite...time my friend...time.

That beer will be very good in about 7-10 weeks.

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