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Old 02-28-2013, 03:55 AM   #21
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This past Saturday I decided to brew a porter. Went to the local brew shop, picked up ingredients per John Palmers Port O'Palmer recipe and during checkout the girl asked me if I want to mill the specialty grains there, which I proceeded to do.

How might this relate to the topic I posted about here? Well when the girl clerk asked me if I wanted to mill my grains, I immediately realized I had not milled or crushed the grains I steeped for my first batch. I tried one of the beers today - a bit early, but it still tastes off, but I can now explain the off-flavor a bit better: hops. All I taste is the bitterness and hoppy character of the beer. No maltiness, no sweetness, just hoppy bitterness and nothing else.

I will let the remaining bottles sit for a bit and drink them over time as all recommended, but is there any hope for this batch considering this flaw?

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Old 02-28-2013, 04:13 AM   #22
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It will make a difference, but possibly not as much as you may think. Because the grain was just steeped and not actually mashed there is not much conversion taking place. Let it ride and get fully carbonated before passing judgement.

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Old 02-28-2013, 04:15 AM   #23
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It will make a difference, but possibly not as much as you may think. Because the grain was just steeped and not actually mashed there is not much conversion taking place. Let it ride and get fully carbonated before passing judgement.
Good to hear. Thought the steeping process was much more vital to the final outcome.
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Good to hear. Thought the steeping process was much more vital to the final outcome.
It does add color and some flavors (like making tea), but not much in the way of fermentable sugars. Not crushing the grain will lessen the flavor, but probably not much.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:02 AM   #25
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The flavors you lose are the unfermentable sugars. I would expect that the beer might be thin or more bitter than you intended because in part those balance the hops. Taste before you bottle and if its still markedly bad then you can always blend it with a batch with too much crystal and bottle or keg.

ETA: Never mind I see that it is bottled. What you have is beer, not the beer you intended. Some of that hop character may mellow a bit. If it ends up that you simply cannot drink it then a dunk in Starsan and pouring into a bottling bucket to mix with that other batch I mentioned is a possibility. Also remember that Porter came to be as a blended concoction. You can mix it half/half when you serve it as well. Or if you have a friend who is a hop head mention you have a "great India Export Porter" and let him chug through it while you drink the better stuff. Cooking with it is another possibility - I use beer and DME to parboil brats and onions before grilling - then caramelize off the onions as a topping. No sense in using your best beer for that.

As mistakes go this is not the worst one you could have done! If it's otherwise clean and well done it's probably better than a lot of the beers I've had to judge.

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Old 02-28-2013, 07:29 PM   #26
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I actually don't mind the flavor as I am that hop-head you speak of! My lady-friend did not enjoy it one bit, though. I don't mind drinking it, but it does seem much more bitter/hoppier than expected/desired. The beer itself had no chill haze after cooling so was happy with that, no true off-flavors and no contamination, so I am definitely happy with my first brew.

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Old 02-28-2013, 08:18 PM   #27
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Good to hear. Thought the steeping process was much more vital to the final outcome.
Ditto to what KurtB said - and you'll also get some macro-molecules that will aid in head retention.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:29 PM   #28
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So small update... tried another one yesterday and it's definitely cleaned up a bit. No where near as bitter as before, but still seems to be missing out on malty flavor. Head retention is pretty good actually and stays clear when chilled - so I guess the brewing process itself went well! Already planning out where I'll be building my 3 tier brewing system and definitely excited to try out the porter that's sitting in the fermentor!

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