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Old 02-11-2013, 11:30 PM   #1
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Default First AG. Too Ambitious?

With parts for my MLT and HLT on their way I was playing around in BeerSmith and came up with this. I'm going for a cross between a Rye Pale Ale and a Pale Mild. This will be my 4th brew overall with my first 3 being extract.
Am I diving in too deep for a first all grain batch?
Will this taste terrible? Any suggestions?

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 6.52 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.98 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 4.60 gal
Estimated OG: 1.034 SG
Estimated Color: 12.4 SRM
Estimated IBU: 24.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.8 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

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1 lbs Rice Hulls (0.0 SRM)
4 lbs Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM)
1 lbs Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)
1 lbs Rye Malt (4.7 SRM)
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM)
4.0 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM)
1.00 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 60.0
0.50 oz Fuggles [4.50 %] - Boil 15.0 min
0.25 oz Fuggles [4.50 %] - Boil 0.0 min
0.25 oz Goldings, East Kent [5.00 %] - Boil 0.0
1.0 pkg American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056)


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 7 lbs 12.0 oz
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Mash In Add 10.69 qt of water at 166.1 F 152.0 F 60 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 5.03 gal water at 168.0 F

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No reason not to jump to AG if you have the equipment. I don't actually believe people need to start with extract, any more than someone needs to start with a bread machine and mix to bake a loaf.

Do you really only lose 0.54 gallons in a 60 minute boil? I lose 2/hour.

I would highly suggest batch sparging your first AG, then ask why you want to fly sparge.

Can't comment on the grain bill as I've never brewed a rye.

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No reason not to jump to AG if you have the equipment. I don't actually believe people need to start with extract, any more than someone needs to start with a bread machine and mix to bake a loaf.
Agreed. The only difference between extract and AG is the amount of time required. AG is certainly not anymore difficult than extract unless you make it so. There can be more variables if you want to really dial something in but it isn't necessary unless you're trying to win gold medals in brewing competitions.
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Exactly what are your settings in Beersmith for the Mash? I've recently had problems with my inputs into Beersmith but I have since figured it out.

.54 gallons boiling loss if awfully low. I lost 1.5 the other day on a 40F day.

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No reason not to jump to AG if you have the equipment. I don't actually believe people need to start with extract, any more than someone needs to start with a bread machine and mix to bake a loaf.

Do you really only lose 0.54 gallons in a 60 minute boil? I lose 2/hour.

I would highly suggest batch sparging your first AG, then ask why you want to fly sparge.

Can't comment on the grain bill as I've never brewed a rye.
That makes me feel better about it not being terribly more difficult.

I haven't adjusted the boil loss rate in BeerSmith yet, but it was only about 1 gallon per hour on my last brew.

The main reason for fly sparging is that I have a second cooler as a HLT due to not having a second kettle large enough for the volume of sparge water that I need. So I figured if I have valves, tubing, aluminum foil, and gravity to use anyways; I may as well fly sparge.
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.54 gallons boiling loss if awfully low. I lost 1.5 the other day on a 40F day.
Ambient temperature has little to do with boil-off rate. Surface area exposure, humidity, and barometric pressure are the big factors (in that order) in how much you will boil off.
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Ambient temperature has little to do with boil-off rate. Surface area exposure, humidity, and barometric pressure are the big factors (in that order) in how much you will boil off.
Actually ambient temperature has a huge effect. I boil off about 1.25 gal in warm temps and about 2 gal /hr when its cold. Hot liquids produce more steam when it's colder.

As to the op - I'd recommend lowering your mash efficiency to about 65-70%. As for your recipie, it may be ok, but I'd go with a simple tested recipie.
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As to the op - I'd recommend lowering your mash efficiency to about 65-70%. As for your recipie, it may be ok, but I'd go with a simple tested recipie.
I was definitely expecting lower efficiency, I'll have to adjust that.
For the recipe I was trying for something simple, but didn't want to end up with something boring. Any suggestions if I should go with something easier?
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Not much grain is it?

I guess if mild means low alcohol then OK.

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Not much grain is it?

I guess if mild means low alcohol then OK.
Yep, looking for a lower gravity session beer.
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