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beergolf 01-11-2011 11:14 PM

Difference in adding extract all at beginning or adding some near the end?
 
I am a new brewer and have a ton of questions , but just will ask one here.

I see recipies that call for adding all of the extract at the beginning of the boil, and some that call for adding a portion near the end (usually with about 10minutes to go).

What does this do to the taste of the beer? Or does it do anything else?

Just trying to learn as much as possible.

First brew is still in fermenting. I hate the waiting..........

I know RDWHAHB but I don't have any Home brew yet. I guess the Flying Fish Belgian Style Dubbel thatbI am drinking will have to work....

sudsmcgee 01-11-2011 11:19 PM

I believe late addition mostly keeps the color lighter, but it also prevents a caramel flavor.

ruinsx 01-11-2011 11:24 PM

Completely agree w/ suds. I've been brewing mini-mash w/ liquid extract for a little over a year now and i've tried a pale ale adding all the extract as the recipe stated (at the beginning) and then tried another pale ale adding like 15-20% at the beginning and the rest towards the end of the boil. It really did result in a lighter color of the final beer. According to the wizards at my local home brew store, adding the sugar late in the boil keeps it from darkening/caramelizing as much.

downinit 01-11-2011 11:50 PM

Adding extract late in the boil also increases hop utilization, which means you can use a little less hops for bittering your brew.

Yooper 01-12-2011 12:03 AM

There's nothing wrong with the "old" way of adding the extract at the beginning. But many people over the years discovered that adding the bulk of the extract at or near the end of the boil found that the beer was a little more to their liking. Mostly, it's cosmetic, as boiling the extract darkens it. But there are some flavor differences, too, like less maillard reactions. That means less of an "extract-y" taste to me.

The other thing to consider is that this is most effective in partial boils. That is, when you boil only maybe 2-3 gallons of the wort, and then dilute with water to 5 gallons. That's because adding all of the extract at the beginning causes a more concentrated boil in 2-3 gallons that if you were doing all 5 gallons at once. That causes even more darkening and maillard reactions.

If you're doing a batch where you're starting with 6 gallons, and boiling it, just like for an all-grain batch, there may not be as much benefit to adding the extract late in the boil.

I've added the extract as late at flame out for LME, with good results. But sometimes that makes other people a bit nervous about sanitation, so they add it it earlier, like with 15 minutes left in the boil.

beergolf 01-12-2011 12:48 AM

Thanks for the replies.

I am not so concerned with color. Hop utilizaton is good. mmmmm I love a good hoppy beer. Maybe I will try adding some of the extract later in my next brew,since I am doing partial boils.

Yooper I love your avatar...

fatmoose 01-12-2011 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downinit (Post 2543733)
Adding extract late in the boil also increases hop utilization, which means you can use a little less hops for bittering your brew.

I do recall reading a post that indicated this was in fact not the case. There's been a bit of conventional wisdom that the gravity of your wort impacts the utilization rate of your hops but (IIRC) Jamal and company did some experiments that indicated this was the case. I'll have to see if I can find that post again.

billf2112 07-22-2012 01:54 PM

Do it just like it was your recipe. I have only made one fruit beer and added the fruit (in the form of juice) to the secondary. So I say go for it. I am about to doctor a Brewers Best kit I was given as a gift.

orangeryno 07-22-2012 04:02 PM

New to brewing I have been using multiple pots to get close to a 4g boil. And then add the other gallon to help chill. Is adding the extract late going to give better flavor then using 2 pots?
Thanks

Yooper 07-22-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orangeryno (Post 4270591)
New to brewing I have been using multiple pots to get close to a 4g boil. And then add the other gallon to help chill. Is adding the extract late going to give better flavor then using 2 pots?
Thanks

Yes, in general. You can still do the two pots, and add 1/2 the extract late near the end of the boil, and have a finished beer that will have a less "cooked extract" taste to it.


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