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mjn12 11-16-2008 11:46 PM

Did I screw up?
 
Alright, this is my second batch but first with a vial of liquid yeast and I just need a little reassurance that everything is going to be ok (or not?).

I picked up a new digi thermometer to monitor my temps with, and for some reason this batch seemed to take forever to chill down to pitching temp (while in a bathtub of cold water. Eventually I RDWHAHB'ed too much and woke up on the couch this morning while the yeast was sitting in the closet where I had taken it out of the fridge to get to temp the night before. Turns out the thermometer was ~15 degress high so that is why I had to wait so long. I pitched the yeast anyways, despite sitting out all night figuring a little extra time at room temp wouldn't kill it.

So i guess I have a few questions:
1) Will 12 hours at room temp royally eff my yeast up? I'm just expecting a higher lag time, esp for my beer with O.G. of ~1.06
2) Does anyone know of a reliable digital thermometer for brewing?
3) Is my wort ruined because it sat in a sealed, sanitized fermenter for way too long?

Unkle Danky 11-16-2008 11:51 PM

Well I am new also but I have used White Labs liquid yeast on both of my brews. If I am not mistaken it tells you on the label that up to 24 hrs (?) at room temp is beneficial. I am guessing that when the yeast and the wort are at the same temp when pitched there is no shock to the yeast and fermentation will start sooner because of it. I have been leaving my yeast out over night and have seen fermentation start in less than a day both times.

mjn12 11-16-2008 11:59 PM

I think my package said 3-6 hours but I've come to learn whats written on a lot of labels and whats true can be very different.

The length of time that the wort sat was what really worried me but I'm assuming its not really any different than someone having bad yeast, letting it sit for a few days and repitching - as long as its sanitized all should be good.

Id RDWHAHB right now but I'm putting in a few extra hours at work right now. We only get to drink at work on Thurdays :mug:

zac 11-17-2008 12:02 AM

Naw, you're fine. When I brew, I take all my yeat out of the fridage at one time. Sometimes I brew up to 5 batches in a day, so the yeast is out for 14 or so hours. No worries.

Unkle Danky 11-17-2008 12:21 AM

The main thing with the wort sitting as well as fermentation taking a long time to start is that other organisms get the head start in the beer. As long as the lid is on though I would say no problem. I had to dig into my second brew to get the rubber stopper out right after I poured the wort. Took me 15 minutes and I forgot to sanitize the spoon. There is no sign of infection though and it is good to go. Everyone here has convinced me to rdwhahb and so far so good. Besides there is only one way to find out....

mjn12 11-17-2008 04:58 PM

24hrs still no signs. After sanitizing my hands as well as the area around the bucket lid I took a peak to see if any kraussen was forming - nothing unless you count the light colored, extremely thin layer of foam on top much like if you mix iced tea. Maybe I'm wrong and that is the kraussen starting.

I know it can take up to 72 hours - problem is I'm leaving for a week friday night so If I want to re-pitch with a starter I need to get the yeast today or tomorrow, maybe weds at the latest.

Could the grated peels of 4 oranges (sounds like a lot but its what papazian calls for) be causing an increased lag due a more acidic environment, not to mention the higher gravity (1.064)?

I know, I'm too anxious. The last beer that I did with a dry yeast just sort of started like I threw a match in gasoline. I talked to a brewer at work who uses liquid yeast (no starter) and he said his stuff always takes off like that too so that made me even more worried. First batch was so much easier for some reason.

EDIT: No response necessary to this post. i know its typical noob nonsense - but venting concern alleviates a lot of it. This is me telling myself to shut up and quit worrying.

jds 11-17-2008 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjn12 (Post 959616)
24hrs still no signs. After sanitizing my hands as well as the area around the bucket lid I took a peak to see if any kraussen was forming - nothing unless you count the light colored, extremely thin layer of foam on top much like if you mix iced tea. Maybe I'm wrong and that is the kraussen starting.

I know it can take up to 72 hours - problem is I'm leaving for a week friday night so If I want to re-pitch with a starter I need to get the yeast today or tomorrow, maybe weds at the latest.

Could the grated peels of 4 oranges (sounds like a lot but its what papazian calls for) be causing an increased lag due a more acidic environment, not to mention the higher gravity (1.064)?

I know, I'm too anxious. The last beer that I did with a dry yeast just sort of started like I threw a match in gasoline. I talked to a brewer at work who uses liquid yeast (no starter) and he said his stuff always takes off like that too so that made me even more worried. First batch was so much easier for some reason.

Back away from the fermenter. I'd venture it's 90+% likely everything's just fine, and you're more likely to cause problems by ****ing with it.

Dry yeast ferments like gangbusters because you've got very high cell counts, meaning lots of yeast. Ditto for liquid yeasts at high enough pitching rates. Liquid yeast without a starter is likely to take a while to get a good ferment going, particularly if you're starting with mildly stressed yeast.

A vial of White Labs yeast is just barely enough to get a 5 gallon batch of 1.050 wort going well -- under optimum conditions. Personally, I never use liquid yeast without a starter. That said, the best thing you can do now is leave it alone. Go on your trip, and check a gravity when you get back.

Revvy 11-17-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jds (Post 959636)
Back away from the fermenter. I'd venture it's 90+% likely everything's just fine, and you're more likely to cause problems by ****ing with it.

Dry yeast ferments like gangbusters because you've got very high cell counts, meaning lots of yeast. Ditto for liquid yeasts at high enough pitching rates. Liquid yeast without a starter is likely to take a while to get a good ferment going, particularly if you're starting with mildly stressed yeast.

A vial of White Labs yeast is just barely enough to get a 5 gallon batch of 1.050 wort going well -- under optimum conditions. Personally, I never use liquid yeast without a starter. That said, the best thing you can do now is leave it alone. Go on your trip, and check a gravity when you get back.


What he said!!!

jds 11-17-2008 05:20 PM

ha! For once, I beat Revvy to an advice thread!

Revvy 11-17-2008 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jds (Post 959660)
ha! For once, I beat Revvy to an advice thread!

I went to heat my lunch:D...but honestly I couldn't have said it better myself.:mug:


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