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Old 05-31-2011, 02:27 AM   #1
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Beer number 9, a nut brown ale, tastes of sour green apples and has a ring around the beer level in each bottle neck. I've no real clue as to why. I'm going to get a new fermenting bucket, and I plan to use frozen distilled water this time to cool the wort. All my old plastic water jugs and their contents are going to the golf cart shed to refill the batteries when needed. My question is can I reuse the same beer bottles after a clorox soak now and a dip in starsan at bottling? I've really enjoyed this hobby till now. Another disappointment like this may be the last straw. Can't stand to pour too many five gal. batches down the drain.

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Old 05-31-2011, 02:40 AM   #2
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How many batches have you had to dump? Everyone has a bad batch from time to time, can't let it get you down.

I would say sure, you can reuse the bottles, assuming they're glass, they won't hold on to bacteria with a clorox soak and all.

Watch your sanitation, and don't do the whole cooling using frozen water bottles, it my be a time saver, but you risk oxidizing your beer before you get it below pitching temperature. Next time buy 2-3 bags of ice, or a wort chiller and give it 20-30 minutes (either sitting in an ice bath or running water through the WC). Let it sit while you're cleaning up, and after cooling, then oxidize by your preferred method.

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Old 05-31-2011, 02:50 AM   #3
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I quit for several years because of exactly what you describe. Check your hard plastic pieces, racking cane, bottle filler, etc. for small fissures or cracks from bending can house bacteria. If you can see little white lines of fogging toss them. Also could be a bucket washed with the scrubby side of a sponge. Those tiny scratches are a haven for the bad guys.
And you can reuse the bottles but getting them clean is really important. That infection can live on with even the tiniest of scum or hardend ring, etc. A good hot PBW or at least OxyClean soak should do it. Then sanitize.
Good luck. Dont give up.
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Thanks, I will do as you advise. This last batch, I froze a gal. jug. Perhaps when I cut the jug off the ice, I polluted it. I wonder if RO water can come out of the dispenser infected?

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Old 05-31-2011, 05:18 AM   #5
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Only time I have had a ring around the bottle was with flip off tops, if you are using those you may need some new gaskets.

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I should have said that I will do as both of you advise, and I thank you both. One more beer as good as the Irish red that was batch number 8 and my enthusiasm will return in spades. The discouraging part is not knowing for certain what to do different next time. I'll just have to fall back and punt.

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Thanks, I will do as you advise. This last batch, I froze a gal. jug. Perhaps when I cut the jug off the ice, I polluted it. I wonder if RO water can come out of the dispenser infected?
All water is suspect if you didn't boil it yourself. I wouldn't trust store bought RO or distilled water to be clean of any nasties - boil it and sanitize the jug to be sure. There was some discussion on this point a while back and the conclusion was that water handling plants are not the best at handling their water cleanly . I wish I had the link handy, but I don't. Do a search on RO water in the forums and you may find it.
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Old 05-31-2011, 07:17 AM   #8
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Thanks, I will do as you advise. This last batch, I froze a gal. jug. Perhaps when I cut the jug off the ice, I polluted it. I wonder if RO water can come out of the dispenser infected?
For my last batch, I boiled a gallon of water, put it into a bowl sanitized with starsan, and froze it. I then used it to cool my wort. It works. The least you could do is freeze the water you purchase in a sanitized container.
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Thanks, I will do as you advise. This last batch, I froze a gal. jug. Perhaps when I cut the jug off the ice, I polluted it. I wonder if RO water can come out of the dispenser infected?
For my last batch, I boiled a gallon of water, put it into a bowl sanitized with starsan, and froze it. I then used it to cool my wort. It works. The least you could do is freeze the water you purchase in a sanitized container.
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Beer number 9, a nut brown ale, tastes of sour green apples and has a ring around the beer level in each bottle neck.
What was the O.G. ?

How long and at what Temperature did you keep the Beer in bottles ?

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