Electric Brewing Supply 30A BCS Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Beginners Beer Brewing Forum > Can you use ice too cool the wort?
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-14-2008, 04:24 PM   #1
Jah
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Jah's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Posts: 115
Default Can you use ice too cool the wort?

Can someone please explain to me why no one just puts ice in the wort instead of cold water to bring to 5 gallons? Would this not be a very rapid way of getting it down to temp? I am sure there is a reason for this so any input would be great.
__________________

*********************************************

Drinking: black-flag-berry wheat
Drinking: Dunkirker's Dubbeloon Abbey Ale
Bottled: Dirty Blonde Abbey Ale (Leffe Blonde Clone)
Secondary: Mermaid's Kiss Chocolate Stout
Primary: EdWort's Apfelwein
Primary: Flagship Pale Ale
*********************************************

Jah is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 04:28 PM   #2
Yooper
Ale's What Cures You!
HBT_ADMIN.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Yooper's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 61,667
Liked 4636 Times on 3367 Posts
Likes Given: 909

Default

Many people do that. Most of them sanitize a container (like an ice cream bucket) and add either boiled water or bottled water to it and then freeze that. You don't want to use commercial ice, because of the chance of contamination. But your own ice from a sanitized container is fine. So, cool the wort a little from boiling (even ice won't completely chill two or three gallons of boiling wort) and then put it in the primary bucket, and add the ice. I'd do it in several different additions, so you don't over cool it. I'd probably freeze 2 or 3 block of a couple of quarts, and then top up the rest with water.

Many use carboys, so you can't do that with a carboy! Also, you can't do that will full boils, so that's why I use a wort chiller.

__________________
Broken Leg Brewery
Giving beer a leg to stand on since 2006
Yooper is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 04:28 PM   #3
cglkaptc
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Michigan
Posts: 100
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts

Default

Well if I had to guess, the ice would melt and turn into hot water within 10 seconds. I definatly would not use bags of ice because that water is nasty and contaminated. I don't know though. I've never tried it and never heard of anyone trying it.

__________________

He who goes to bed with itchy butt wakes up with stinky finger.

cglkaptc is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 04:31 PM   #4
McKBrew
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
McKBrew's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Hayden, Idaho
Posts: 8,291
Liked 31 Times on 27 Posts
Likes Given: 8

Default

As long as the ice is sanitary you can do it. Here are some related posts.

__________________

Make Beer, Not War.

McKBrew is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 04:36 PM   #5
DSV
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 36
Default

I used to do this all the time with my partial mash recipes. I never had a contamination problem from store bought ice. However, I was particular about where I bought it and ask if they maintain the RO filters.

__________________
DSV is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 04:44 PM   #6
HP_Lovecraft
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 197
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts

Default

With partial boils, I'll buy RO gallons from Walmart and freeze 1, and cool another.

When I reach flame out, I'll dip the jugs in some starsan, then cut off the plastic container, and put the ice into the primary. Then dump in the chilled RO water. Then I laddle the hot word directly into the chilled water without any pouring or splashing.

Only takes about a 1-2 minutes, and the final temp is around 70-72 degrees. Perfect for pitching. I actually have an IC that I use for bigger boils, or when using the carboy as primary. But the smaller boils chill almost instantly using the ice method.

nick

__________________
HP_Lovecraft is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 05:31 PM   #7
jtvinny
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
jtvinny's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Fayetteville, NC
Posts: 169
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HP_Lovecraft
Then I laddle the hot word directly into the chilled water without any pouring or splashing.

Why are you worried about splashing won't this help aerate?

Just to keep from making a mess?
__________________

Definition of an Irishman: "a complex mechanism for turning Guinness into urine." - The Stout Book by Brendan O'Brien

jtvinny is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 05:55 PM   #8
Yooper
Ale's What Cures You!
HBT_ADMIN.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Yooper's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 61,667
Liked 4636 Times on 3367 Posts
Likes Given: 909

Default

Hot side aeration can be a concern. There is some debate about it, but you can read up on it by doing a search on it. Basically, you don't want to splash or aerate hot wort, You want to aerate when the wort is less than 80 degrees or so.

__________________
Broken Leg Brewery
Giving beer a leg to stand on since 2006
Yooper is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 06:25 PM   #9
sigmund
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 416
Liked 4 Times on 4 Posts

Default

I watched a video on the Sam Adams site where Jim koch shows how to brew. In his video he uses ice and dumps his hot wort on to it. I guess if says it's OK, there must be something to it.

__________________
sigmund is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 03-14-2008, 09:55 PM   #10
HP_Lovecraft
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 197
Liked 3 Times on 3 Posts

Default

I'm pretty sure Jim Koch laddled in that video as well, since thats where the idea came from. The only difference is I used a much bigger laddle.

Regardless, the end result is right about 70 degrees which is perfect. Many will pitch at 75-80, but I don't want to take a chance at sucking in the airlock fluid.

nick

__________________
HP_Lovecraft is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How to Cool Wort (w/out wort chiller) web250 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 42 09-30-2011 08:58 PM
Why not use ice to cool wort? knuckleball Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 38 09-25-2009 08:20 PM
Cool That Wort!! Cool That Wort!! What Works For You? shagington All Grain & Partial Mash Brewing 37 10-20-2008 07:29 PM
What is be best way to cool your wort? Dude422 Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 25 10-19-2008 11:57 PM
Can you cool the wort too much? Greenspey Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 9 04-06-2008 12:27 PM