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Old 04-27-2010, 10:11 AM   #1
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Default Brewing coopers bitter for first time using closed fermentation barrel + sugar

hi have been fermenting my beer for 2 weeks have bought 6, 4.5 litre demi johns but wondered if I cud just add more sugar to fermentation barrel for secondry fermentation will that work?



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Old 04-27-2010, 11:15 AM   #2
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The idea behind secondary is for clarification mostly. I have not heard of adding sugar to the secondary.



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Old 04-27-2010, 03:21 PM   #3
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yes I've been told adding sugar carbonates beer, I'm going to try + use plastic demi johns

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Old 04-27-2010, 03:55 PM   #4
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I think you have the right idea just the wrong way of getting it done.

yeasts eat sugar and excrete alcohol and CO2. When naturally carbonating (using the CO2 from the yeast) the vessel needs to be air tight and able to withstand quite a bit of pressure. I will give a basic rundown as follows.

1- Make the wort (we will assume you did this right)

2- Pitch (add yeast)

3- Primary fermentation (there is no extra sugar added normally)

4- Optional secondary fermentation (This is for clarification mostly and you do not add sugar that I know of because that is kind of defeating the purpose of clarification, yeast eats sugar and multiplies.)

5- bottling, mini-kegging or carbonating and storing by some means. Usually there is a small amount of priming sugar added at this point and then the beer is kept in a slightly warmer place (70+ degrees) for a few weeks and here is why. There will be some yeast still living in your beer, by adding the sugar, bottling and then capping/sealing the vessel, the CO2 has no where to escape to and pressure builds. As this happens CO2 is forced into the liquid making bubbles or carbonation. This is normally called "bottle conditioning". Next there is the "cold crash" this is where you take the conditioned bottle and place it in the fridge or cold place that is above freezing and the cold temps actually help the CO2 get into the liquid adding more "carbonation" and making your beer cold!

Normally the primary is 2 weeks, the secondary is 7-14 days and then bottle conditioning another 2 weeks is the minnimum.

Many people here do not use a secondary fermentation and just do a 3 week primary followed by a 3 week bottle conditioning.

The correct way to determine when primary is done is actually NOT by time but with a hydrometer, getting the same readings for 2 days in a row.

The reason that your post concerns me so, is because you seem to be slightly confused on the secondary and bottling stages. If you add more sugar to the beer and cap it in a demijohn it is possible that the demijohn will NOT be able to withstand the pressure of the CO2 and they may crack, leak or even explode (Think balloon popping not ball of fire)!! resulting in lost/spoiled drink and a giant mess.

IF the demijohn does not turn into a "bottle bomb" then when you open it you will need to drink all the contents quickly as the beer will go flat (loose carbonation) quickly.

I hope this helps!

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Old 04-27-2010, 03:57 PM   #5
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That would work to carbonate the beer. But I think that your also going to blow up your Demi-John.

PLEASE don't do this and seal the top and think your going to carb the beer.

There is a strong possibility that your going to blow up your carboy and have one hell of mess to clean.

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Before everyone panics here;

He's from England and referring to a pressure barrel. It's something that we Yanks aren't used to.

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It's perfectly normal to rack the beer to it, let it secondary for a while, then add sugar and let it carb and serve right from it.

These threads should help you (look for posts by AJF he's one of you. ;

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/transferring-pressure-barrel-112491/

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/how-use-pressure-barrel-154015/

Ignore what the other's were saying, they're not as "worldly" as I am

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Before everyone panics here;

He's from England and referring to a pressure barrel. It's something that we Yanks aren't used to.

Like this'

I have seen mini kegs and pressure barrels and if this is indeed the case then disregard what I had written above. I have never heard one of these referred to as a demijohn before.

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no I meant add 8 gs of sugar per litre to prime would that be ok using plastic demi johns



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