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Old 04-26-2012, 06:59 PM   #21
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To each their own. As long as you are content with your beer's quality that is what matters. I've provided an alternate viewpoint with plenty of support. Choose your side. It doesn't matter to me.

In closing, you have no factual data on the turnover rate for the tons of DME/LME on hand, or how frequently it is made for every semi large to large homebrew shop.

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Old 04-26-2012, 07:18 PM   #22
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In closing, you have no factual data on the turnover rate for the tons of DME/LME on hand, or how frequently it is made for every semi large to large homebrew shop.
Of course not. But neither do you have data to show that the extract has been sitting for a long period. It is on the brewer to do some research into their homebrew shop. You wanted to paint with a wide brush, and some of us challenged that assertion.

I just find it odd that you are on a beginner's forum trashing partial boils with extract via kits. I know its your opinion, but what kind of reaction did you really expect?
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Old 04-26-2012, 07:43 PM   #23
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I've worked in a homebrew shop before, as previously stated. Business is business, and turnover matters. You will never sell an exact 1,000 lbs. of DME and LME every month. Some months it will be 394 lbs. Some months it will be 2,354 lbs. There will be carry-over of product that nears or goes beyond it's recommended use date. Pre-assembled kits are perfect to fill that void.

Lastly, this isn't about trashing. It's about providing an alternate viewpoint. Neither myself or my friends have ever experienced wowing results with extract kits assembled by the vast majority of suppliers. This may be due to many, many reasons. But it is still true in our experience. Period. End of story.

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Old 04-26-2012, 07:58 PM   #24
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What may have been true for your shop isn't true for all shops. I don't generally buy kits, but both of my go-to suppliers (Northern Brewer and Annapolis Home Brew) treat kits the same way they would someone coming in with their own recipe and the ingredients get pulled from the bulk supply whenever they're ordered. They're no more or less fresh than the stuff everyone else is buying.

I'd agree, however, that if your LHBS has a bunch of dust covered pre-packaged kits on the shelves, I'd ask them to duplicate the recipe from fresh stock. If they wouldn't do that, I'd go elsewhere.

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:08 PM   #25
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As for now ( as I am still a rookie) I think I will keep it as simple as I can. However, the current batch I have in the fermenter, is one that I put together with hand picked ingredients, not from a kit. I like this method so far, but unfortunately I don't know the boil times. Is there a method to figure this out? Ad does it vary per different styles of beer?
One thing you can do with respect to boil volumes is simply boil a large pot of water for an hour and see how much you lost. That will give you a ball park figure of how much extra you need to add before you boil. For example, I was brewing up a Blanche de Chambly earlier this week. I wanted to end up with about 5 gallons. This recipe doesn't use steeped grains so I don't need to worry about volume of grain water. I started off with about 5.75 gallons and to that I added 5.5 lbs of DME which will affect the overall volume as well. When I finished and poured into my fermenter, I need to add about 1/2 qt of water to get the required volume. I didn't just guess at 5.75 gallons, I figured it out from previous boils which is one reason you should keep good notes about your brews. Ultimately I want to not need to top off at all but 1/2 qt isn't too bad, especially when you consider I was topping off with 3 gallons when I first started, and then with about 1.5 gallons once I switched to full boils but didn't know my boil off rate.
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Old 04-26-2012, 08:12 PM   #26
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One of my LHBS makes up their kits fresh every day. That's great but I don't know how fresh the ingredients are. I have seen them working away, milling the grains for the kits but again, that doesn't mean the grains are fresh. Given the turnover, as evidenced every time I am in the store, I would have to think the ingredients are pretty fresh. But how fresh are the ingredients when they take delivery of them? A few unknowns but I feel happy with what I have had so far.

The other LHBS I go to goes through a lot of LME and I believe the barrels are purged with nitrogen. They pack into oxygen-safe bags which, according to them, keep the LME fresh for up to 2 years....but I would never put that to the test.

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I do have a sanke keg that I will convert to my brew kettle, and I have the capability to boil on a big burner that can handle the 5+ gallon boil.i also have a super wort chiller that I made out of 50 feet of copper tube, it currently cools my 2.5gallons to 70 degrees in about 7-10 minutes. I was thinking about getting the beer smith software but still unsure at this point about purchasing,what do you think about that?

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I'm a big fan of Beersmith, but that's just because it was the program I first started using. Other software you might want to check out is ProMash or Brewtarget (which is actually free). I don't know if they still do it, but Beersmith offered a 30 day free trial when I first bought it. It couldn't hurt to download it and un-install later if you don't like it.

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I'm a big fan of Beersmith, but that's just because it was the program I first started using. Other software you might want to check out is ProMash or Brewtarget (which is actually free). I don't know if they still do it, but Beersmith offered a 30 day free trial when I first bought it. It couldn't hurt to download it and un-install later if you don't like it.
They still do it, I am running the trial right now.
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