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Old 12-04-2008, 02:38 PM   #1
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Ok, so I assumed I could figure this out and do it right the first time. Now,...umm.....

I adopted a recipe from these forums (Yooper's Anchor Steam Clone) , but wanted to reduce it to fit in a 3 gallon carboy. Many hours later, I found Beersmith, which seems to be able to easily scale recipes down or up. I changed the recipe around a little : added 3lbs light malt extract syrup instead of DME, and added 1lbs LME that I had laying around. No biggie. Obviously I need to read more about hops and their uses/effects since I got myself into this mess though.... I had two packets to work with, and I had already got all the stuff out....that sort of point of no return that one feels just before starting.

So due to equipment shortfalls, I had a 12 quart pot to work with, and filled it with about 1.7 gallons water (including the 3/4 gallon I steeped the crystal malt in), and then added my sugars. As soon as the boil started, I set my watch, threw in the hops according to beersmith's latest calculations, and followed the rest of the procedure just fine (60min hops, 30min hops, flameout hops).

I had 1 oz Northern Brewer 9.5% AA and 1oz 6.6% AA . It computed 29.6 IBU for 1oz 9.5%AA @ 60, 7.9 IBU for .5oz 6.6% @ 30, and nothing for the final .5oz 6.6% AA at flameout. 37.5IBU projected. I checked tastybrew.com's calculator this morning, which I had originally started with yesterday, and it projects 86 IBU!

Both batch sizes are 3.3G with boil volumes of 1.69G. Both places are set to 70% brewhouse efficiency.

Think this might be 37.5% IBU like beersmith says, or off the charts for the style and closer to 84 IBU like tastybrew.com says?

--edit> I just put in "FWH" for the first hop addition in tastybrew , and it brought the IBUs down to ~40 ... what is the difference between computing for 60 minute addition as opposed to FirstWortHops addition? I mean, they're the same in my case, right?

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Old 12-04-2008, 02:45 PM   #2
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Think this might be 37.5% IBU like beersmith says, or off the charts for the style and closer to 84 IBU like tastybrew.com says?
More than likely the default IBU calculations of the software are different... There are three different calculations/scales, Tinseth, Rager , Garetz.

IIRC the default on Beersmith is Tinseth...I dunno what tastybrew uses. But you can in Beersmith, change the default to whichever scale you use.

Do a search for them to get a handle on them...

I believe most recipes are in Tinseth.
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I have done a little more reading this morning about how IBUs are calculated...and as has been the case with so much of learning about brewing goes, I was initially horrified by what I read. Apparently Tinseth calculations are based on average gravity of the wort, which sounds like what I used in my recipe.

Another rookie mistake I made is that although with making wine and cider I take measurements as often as I can, I didn't realize that I should have taken an initial gravity measurement pre-boil and post-boil before diluting the wort to make the 3.3G batch size. I only took a reading right before I pitched the yeast, which was 1.060 @ 70F.

Based on really rough math that I am probably screwing up, 1.69G pre-boil wort was reduced to approximately 1.5G through evaporation during the boil (I didn't measure the post-boil wort volume ... but I did take pictures of it so I could estimate...it was 2AM..der!). I added approximately 1.8 gallons of water to the cooled wort for a total of about 3.3 gallons. Would the corrected gravity of the original pre-boil wort be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.16 or so for this ?
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