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Old 01-21-2013, 06:41 PM   #1
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So my first few batches of beer (brown ale, Magic Hat #9 clone, Hefe) went out without a hitch and tasted very good, at least to me. Awesome! Was so happy.

My last 2 beers though, both kits I bought from my local home brew store (as were my first 3): a blonde ale and a Killians clone.

I dont recall the recipes for either but one thing they had in common: they each had a much stronger hop flavor than they should, or perhaps it was just those funky off-flavors or esters?....I didnt change my process, could the recipes they used just suck? Or perhaps I pitched the yeast to hot?

I have gotten myself a wort chiller since this last batch in hopes that it will eliminate these flavors, or at least eliminate that possibility. Just looking for any guidance as to what I may be doing wrong.

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Old 01-21-2013, 07:33 PM   #2
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Chilling the wort will solve a lot of problems. When I first started I was have problems with aroma and taste. The problem was I wasn't getting my beer below 140 fast enough. With my homemade wort chiller I can now get my beer from boiling to about 75 degrees in under 10 minutes, since I made that and started using it I haven't had any Aroma or flavor problems. Perhaps you made a mistake on hop additions during the boil?

Whats you fermentation temp? Hot fermentation will give you esters.

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Old 01-21-2013, 07:41 PM   #3
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Without seeing the recipe or the ingredients or knowing any of your procedures, it's hard for us to help you. If they taste too hoppy, that very well may be the case.

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Old 01-21-2013, 07:46 PM   #4
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Chilling the wort will solve a lot of problems. When I first started I was have problems with aroma and taste. The problem was I wasn't getting my beer below 140 fast enough. With my homemade wort chiller I can now get my beer from boiling to about 75 degrees in under 10 minutes, since I made that and started using it I haven't had any Aroma or flavor problems. Perhaps you made a mistake on hop additions during the boil?

Whats you fermentation temp? Hot fermentation will give you esters.
Fermentation temps have been steady between 66 and 69.

Its possible I made hop errors, but I dont think I did...one question I did have though was, I never really read that you need to, but should my hops be in a muslin bag, or should I remove them somehow? Perhaps even racking to a Secondary at some point during fermentation which I havent done, would help?

Another issue that may have some effect on flavor is I have trouble keeping my boil temps low enough during my boil, with my stupid electric stove.

Lastly, these past 2 kits have been extract only, where the first 3 also has specialty grains included...perhaps these last 2 were just simple beers that had off flavors from these things we've talked about?
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Did you carry the hops through from the boil kettle into the fermentation vessel? They should be strained/removed in some fashion...

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Did you carry the hops through from the boil kettle into the fermentation vessel? They should be strained/removed in some fashion...
I havent removed them...that would probably cause it, huh?! lol

I had never read that this was necessary before, so never did
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Lastly, these past 2 kits have been extract only, where the first 3 also has specialty grains included...perhaps these last 2 were just simple beers that had off flavors from these things we've talked about?
I think this is your problem. Extract only beers have never really been that great for me. You really need the malt complexity that some steeping grains give you. I bet it's recipe formulation that you're not happy with.
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I havent removed them...that would probably cause it, huh?! lol
nope, this wouldnt cause it. can you give an example of your hop schedule for those last 2?

also when you say 66-69F for ferment temps, is that ambient or wort temp?
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nope, this wouldnt cause it. can you give an example of your hop schedule for those last 2?

also when you say 66-69F for ferment temps, is that ambient or wort temp?
I believe the hop schedule for each were (dont remember specific hop varieties of the top of my head:

2oz boiling hops for 60 mins
~1oz finishing hops for final 15 mins

Ferment temps would be ambient temps
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1oz hops @15 shouldnt be too hoppy, depending on variety.

you will def have a fair share of esters at those temps since fermentation would raise it into the 70s tho. try keeping your temps a lil lower in the future and see if it still persists.

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