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Old 09-08-2011, 01:34 AM   #1
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Does everyone forget that beer has been around for a long time and that a lot of the sanitation methods of today are fairly recent. I have had some beer that smelled terrible out of the primary and secondary and then after a few weeks aging in the bottle was the best beer I ever had. Being clean makes for a crisper cleaner flavor but as a beginner you should only worry about the basics like did I get alcohol, did it carbonate, and is it reasonably tasting. Heck if it gets you drunk and not make you sick you are off to a good start, everything else will come with time.

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I like the enthusiasm, but I wouldn't try and downplay the importance of sanitation. That's like saying that because sterilization techniques are also fairly recent, surgeons should feel free to operate with dirty scalpels.

Yes, beer's been made forever, and much of that without any knowledge of sanitation, or even of yeast. But I suspect that if we tried the beers they brewed, we'd despise most of them.

Infections may be rarer than they seem, however I'm still not going to advocate opening the door for them.

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Does everyone forget that beer has been around for a long time and that a lot of the sanitation methods of today are fairly recent. I have had some beer that smelled terrible out of the primary and secondary and then after a few weeks aging in the bottle was the best beer I ever had.
smelling bad out of the primary isn't because of poor sanitation....


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Being clean makes for a crisper cleaner flavor but as a beginner you should only worry about the basics like did I get alcohol, did it carbonate, and is it reasonably tasting. Heck if it gets you drunk and not make you sick you are off to a good start, everything else will come with time.
this is just awful advice.

this gets my vote for worst thread of 2011
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I like the enthusiasm, but I wouldn't try and downplay the importance of sanitation. That's like saying that because sterilization techniques are also fairly recent, surgeons should feel free to operate with dirty scalpels.

Yes, beer's been made forever, and much of that without any knowledge of sanitation, or even of yeast. But I suspect that if we tried the beers they brewed, we'd despise most of them.

Infections may be rarer than they seem, however I'm still not going to advocate opening the door for them.
I agree. Beer was made without even knowing beer was being made. Sanitation was not part of beer making when beer was first found. Yeast was also not cultured for certain types of beer. Sanitation and different yeast strains are what give us a lot of the different style beers we have today.

Yeast are tougher than people think but I wouldn't chance anything. $35 for a basic extract kit, 2 to 3 hours to brew and 3 to 4 weeks in primary...I want that beer coming out as good as it can.
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I think mild infections are alot more common in homebrew than we know...

Don't downplay cleanliness and sanitation!

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I agree people can be a little overboard on the sanitation fears, but not for the same reasons. If everything is kept clean, that is more important than sanitation to me. Don't give organisms a place to live and they won't be there in numbers to take over.

Plus many people don't realize chemicals like oxyclean, PBW, B-Brite, etc actually ARE effective sanatizers...just aren't marketed them as such. (Off topic chemistry discussion we can discuss if anyone is interested)

But to be fair I have to point out that even brewers centuries ago weren't negligent on sanitation. Many would begin their brew day by scalding all equipment with steam...which is actually more thorough STERILIZATION than our present chemical sanitation. It is even more sterile than boiling something in water.

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Beginners should be primarily concerned with sanitation practices, if nothing else. There's a lot of things that you can screw up in beer making, and your beer will turn out okay. Screw up the sanitation and you're just asking for trouble.

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Does everyone forget that beer has been around for a long time and that a lot of the sanitation methods of today are fairly recent. I have had some beer that smelled terrible out of the primary and secondary and then after a few weeks aging in the bottle was the best beer I ever had. Being clean makes for a crisper cleaner flavor but as a beginner you should only worry about the basics like did I get alcohol, did it carbonate, and is it reasonably tasting. Heck if it gets you drunk and not make you sick you are off to a good start, everything else will come with time.
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i disagree completely. the major thing to practice and get used to as a beginner is sanitation. you have that down, you're halfway to being an actual brewer
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I had a Coopers can that I had gotten for free. I really didn't want to brew it so as an experiment I did everything wrong to see what would happen. I didn't sanitize, fermented it in a plastic water cooler bottle, I did put some saran wrap over the opening and held it on with a rubber band and used my well water which I question sometimes. It brewed beer, although not a very good beer. I've had a few bottles of it and in a pinch it's better than nothing. I'm about to dump it now to make room for good beer in my bottles.

Good sanitation practice is pretty important in my opinion.

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