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Old 02-04-2010, 04:49 PM   #1
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I'm still very new to brewing. From the economical aspect, I want to go all grain. My question is if I have simply have a 30qt stockpot and a good propane burner; can I just to boil my whole brew in one pot and not have to sparge or use any of the other fancy equipment?

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Old 02-04-2010, 04:51 PM   #2
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Still need a mash tun, but a liquor tank is just a nice luxury.

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how new are you? don't be in a hurry to jump to all grain. if you don't have your brewing process down cold your just asking for trouble.

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If you're looking to not get much more equipment, you might want to check out Brew-in-a-Bag. Seems to work well for lots of people.

But I'd agree with TipsyDragon above: it's a lot easier to start with extract brewing to get your process down. AG is great, but if you don't have a sense of what the process is, it's a lot easier to screw up.

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how new are you? don't be in a hurry to jump to all grain. if you don't have your brewing process down cold your just asking for trouble.
VERY new. About to brew my second batch soon. I don't mind doing the Extract Brewing. I just haven't found a cheap source of DME/LME. I guess I'll get a few more brews under my belt first then. Guess I should be asking where is a good source for cheap DME/LME.
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... just as a quick note... I really struggle with the idea that brewing beer, period, is dramatically more "economical" than just buying good beer.

IMHO, if someone is brewing to save money, they're 1) in it for the wrong reason and 2) are going to be disappointed.

And don't get me wrong Azharen, I'm not accusing you of anything.

My only point is that for a pretty large majority of folks that brew, the hobby turns into an obsession.... and as soon as that happens, the "economics" fly out the window very quickly.

I can brew a batch of... say... a Belgian Quad for a LOT less than what it would cost me to buy the same volume at the liquor store... BUT... what has it cost me to build my AG rig? and then all of the other bells/whistles that go along with it?

LOL... hell, I'm due to break even sometime in the year 2056.

Sure, you can absolutely brew with a sharp eye on costs and ultimately save some money... but... like I was saying, I just think putting those kind of handcuffs on yourself takes a lot of the fun out of the hobby itself.

This thread is a perfect example... you're a new brewer but already looking to go AG... that means new equipment... and once you have one peice of new equipment, there will alllllllllllllways be the "well... if I just get this" or "if I just get that".... and then it's downhill from there.

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Don't move to all grain for economy's sake. Do it when mashing becomes something you really want to pursue. There's a lot going on during the mash and sparge process and a couple of steps have little room for error. It can be really frustrating if you make a mistake. That frustration will be compounded when you're just doing it to save money.

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... just as a quick note... I really struggle with the idea that brewing beer, period, is dramatically more "economical" than just buying good beer.

IMHO, if someone is brewing to save money, they're 1) in it for the wrong reason and 2) are going to be disappointed.

And don't get me wrong Azharen, I'm not accusing you of anything.

My only point is that for a pretty large majority of folks that brew, the hobby turns into an obsession.... and as soon as that happens, the "economics" fly out the window very quickly.

I can brew a batch of... say... a Belgian Quad for a LOT less than what it would cost me to buy the same volume at the liquor store... BUT... what has it cost me to build my AG rig? and then all of the other bells/whistles that go along with it?

LOL... hell, I'm due to break even sometime in the year 2056.

Sure, you can absolutely brew with a sharp eye on costs and ultimately save some money... but... like I was saying, I just think putting those kind of handcuffs on yourself takes a lot of the fun out of the hobby itself.

This thread is a perfect example... you're a new brewer but already looking to go AG... that means new equipment... and once you have one peice of new equipment, there will alllllllllllllways be the "well... if I just get this" or "if I just get that".... and then it's downhill from there.
I wasn't referring to brewing vs buying. DME/LME is very pricey for me compared to what I can get Grain for online. I haven't found a good source of DME/LME that's bulk cheaper than what I can get at my LHBS. I could be spending half as much per batch brewing all grain than brewing with extract with what I can find currently. I asked about equipment because I know AG is a huge investment if you go hard core. I was just looking to see if there was a way for a newbie to do AG without building some monolithic rig? I don't mind having a shrine to beer, I just can't afford a full AG rig ATM.
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I'm with ya... all i'm saying is, in the long run, I think it is very rare that anyone saves money along any step of homebrewing.

DME/LME is more expensive than bulk grains but you need more equipment ($$) for AG.

55 lb sacks of grain are a TON cheaper than buying a few lbs at a time at the LHBS... but now you're looking at large AG batches with bulk grain... more $$$.

Sure, there are ways that you can get into AG without building a shrine or spending a ton of money... like Palefire said, the boil-in-a-bad method seems to work pretty well for folks. My only point is that it is very rare that a homebrewer stops at that step and over the long haul, I'm skeptical homebrewing makes purely economical sense.

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Old 02-04-2010, 05:39 PM   #10
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Check out North Country Malt, or Mid Country Malt (Google is your friend) for a cheap price on the 55lb bags of DME. I got it for $2.40/lb delivered to my door. Partial Mashes also make it cheaper on the wallet!

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