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Kabe 12-08-2012 08:25 AM

Adapting recipes to ingredients available
 
Hi everyone!
I'm totally new to brewing but I'd like to start straight with all-grain. I've seen many nice recipes but my problem is that living in Spain I don't seem to be able to get all the ingredients mentioned in them. Here we don't have as wide an offer as people in America have (we're more of a wine country, you know). I'd like to know if there is some kind of rules on how to get substitutes for certain grains or hops.

Also, this is the website I'm planning on getting the ingredients from:

http://cervezartesana.es/tienda/mate...-en-grano.html

Can you recommend any particular recipes for the ingredients available there?

Thanks a lot!

billl 12-08-2012 12:38 PM

Not sure what you are talking about. It looks like that site has pretty much all of the common ingredients - and a pretty impressive lists of american hops.

Do you have a recipe you are having trouble with? A style you are looking for?

Kabe 12-08-2012 03:33 PM

For example, many recipes include different kinds of "Crystal" malt (20L, 80L, etc.), but here I can only find one. Also some malts like "Biscuit" or "Victory" can't be found at all

billl 12-08-2012 08:45 PM

my spanish is horrible, but I see 3 that say crystal and another half dozen that are "cara".

There really isn't a 1-for-1 sub of grains that spans every situation. Do you have a recipe or style you are trying to make? If so, I'm sure I or someone here would be able to help you based on the ingredients on that site.

Obliviousbrew 12-08-2012 08:50 PM

Well I see you buy from Spain there is some other websites you can look into. You wont get american two row in spain you can get some english pale 2 row. Crystal 20L you can get cara-red form weyyerman that´s around 45 EBC which is around 20L (maybe a little more), for instance. You can find biscuit malt in spain in several places. Just post what you want to brew and I reply (not before tomorrow I´m working now)
Edit: Where in Spain are you at? spanish or expat?

Kabe 12-09-2012 08:27 AM

Thank you for your kind answers,
Yes, I'm spanish and I still live in Spain despite the crisis :) Buying in foreign shops is always an option, but I was wondering if I could support our still young homebrewing businesses and even save a penny or two in shipping rates. Anyway, I think I'll take the middle road and order some things from the shop I posted and some others from the USA or the UK.

In any case,I was thinking about starting with a simple ale like any of these:

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f71/swmb...-blonde-26599/
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f71/dirt...-garde-106658/
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/fat-tire-clone-309962/
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f66/bee-...ale-ale-31793/

One of the things I find in shorter supply (or variety at least) is yeast. Is it so important to use the same specific yeast? I assume flavor will certainly change, but will it be very wrong if I use any other ale yeast?

Thank you again

Obliviousbrew 12-09-2012 09:06 AM

I don´t know if should answer in english or spanish. I never saw spanish writen in this forum so this can be a chance to start :):
Para levadura te conviene la líquida, a mi entender es bastante importante pero siempre se puede sustituir. Basicamente puedes conseguir la levadura que quieras si la encargas con el tiempo suficiente. http://www.masmalta.com/171-levadura-liquida másmalta vende por encargo la gama completa de wyeast
También recomdable es http://latiendadelcervecero.com/es/cerveza-artesanal
o http://www.cerveseraartesenca.com/
o http://www.calarenys.com/
La cristal que suelen vender es la inglesa 100-120 L (200-240 EBC) aunque he notado que eso cambia, lo mejor es mandar un mail para ver que estan vendiendo ahora de cristal de que malteria es, eso te va a dar datos importantes para decidir que comprar. Normalmente sustituyo crystal 20L por carared con buenos resultados para una caramel 10L ufff a lo mejor me olvido de una malta crystal y pongo munich o vienna. De todas las recetas que vi la mayoria de las maltas las podes conseguir en españa al igual que las levaduras. Espero que te haya sido de ayuda.
PS: En que parte de España estas?

Kabe 12-09-2012 09:35 AM

¡Gracias Obliviousbrew!
Esta tarde echaré un vistazo más tranquilamente a los links que me has puesto. ¿Tú vives en España también? Yo soy de la provincia de Alicante.

Obliviousbrew 12-09-2012 09:39 AM

Joer que somos vecinos yo estoy en Benidorm!

Kabe 12-09-2012 12:08 PM

¡Joder, aparece en tu info y ni me había fijado! Anyway, now that we've found we're nearly neighbors I think we should continue in english for the sake of other members. :) So nice to find someone with some experience in Spain! Thank you for all the useful links, I'll check them out and tell you about the results.

Edit: Por cierto, yo estoy algo más al sur, en Orihuela.


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