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earwig 03-17-2010 10:01 PM

Is a 5 gallon water bottle the same as a carboy/better bottle?
 
Are the 5 gallon water bottles that are typically in offices on the water dispensers the same thing as a 5 gallon better bottle/carboy? Can one of these be used as a fermenter? I saw some filled with water without the handle for $6 at a local convenience store/gas station. Thank you.

http://image.ec21.com/image/angelxia...n_3_Gallon.jpg http://www.kenplas.com/project/5gall...rdispenser.jpg

brewagentjay 03-17-2010 10:14 PM

Yes they can be used.... There is a site that sells them for 10 dollars as fermeters online. I'm not sure how long they old up but they keep oders out of water so must be okay.....

jalgayer 03-17-2010 10:23 PM

Hey,

While I am new at this I will still give you what I have learned about this. I too asked that question of myself... Then researched on the internet and came up with the following pieces of information/opinion

(1) There is a reason that the better bottles cost what they do - you get what you pay for
(2) The better bottles are less permeable to oxygen that the water bottles which is better for beer
(3) Most posts I read (over a few days of looking at different sites) said it can work to use water bottles... but they arent recommended.

I would imagine it would WORK to use the water bottle... but most of what I came across recommended against it.

Think of it this way... if you spend $15 or so more on the right kind of bottle... Over the course of 10 batches it is 3 cents a beer more if you get the better bottle.

Hope this helps (and is reasonably correct)

Julio 03-17-2010 10:31 PM

I am also new at this and also had that question. So I read the thread stickied at the top of this forum entitled "FAQ - please read BEFORE asking a question" and the answer was in it.

Simply put, look at the bottom of the bottle for the triangle made of arrows and a number in it. If the number is 1 or 2, go for it. If the number is 7 or higher, definitely not, (these ones are suspected of leaking chemicals into water). 3-6, It might be okay, but do you want to risk your beer to find out?

earwig 03-17-2010 10:37 PM

Cool, thanks for the replies... so is a bottle with a 1 or 2 on the bottom just as good as a better bottle/carboy?

Julio 03-17-2010 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earwig (Post 1951102)
Cool, thanks for the replies... so is a bottle with a 1 or 2 on the bottom just as good as a better bottle/carboy?

Being that I haven't done it, I can't say absolutely, but in theory it seems fine. The thread I found from the FAQ might help you.

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f39/seco...ter-jug-79067/

jalgayer 03-17-2010 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by earwig (Post 1951102)
Cool, thanks for the replies... so is a bottle with a 1 or 2 on the bottom just as good as a better bottle/carboy?

Again, I am just thinking that if it was as good as a carboy better bottle and its 1/3 the price... would carboys be out of business?

I think when I was looking the BEST that I heard anyone say of the water bottles is that "they could work" or it "wouldnt be the end of the world" or "you would probably be ok".

In the grand scheme of things and the cost of everything... Might be worth it to go with the better bottle. I think one of the big things is that even it is a good water bottle... water bottles are not as concerned about oxygen permeability as beer is. So while it may be good for water... it may *not* be good for beer.

Also, try using the search... then the "advanced search" feature (and click "search titles only") as you will find some good reading material beyond what you will get in just one thread....

Good luck!!:rockin:

earwig 03-17-2010 10:43 PM

Ah... I found the threads you guys/gals are talking about. I'll go with a better bottle :) Thanks again.

Tripod 03-17-2010 11:07 PM

If you scroll down to the bottom of the tread you're reading you'll also find a "similar threads" section. Most of the time you'll find other threads on the exact same subject posted by previous seekers...

-Tripod

tamoore 03-17-2010 11:18 PM

I going to be using one for my secondary. I can see no scientific reason why I shouldn't. If your water jugs are recently manufactured, they're made from PET (#1) or HDPE (#2) (both versions of polyethylene). This is the same material the Better Bottle is made from (#1). After looking at the Better Bottle 5gal carboy, it almost looks as if it could have come off the same tooling as the Absopure bottle. ;)


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