Happy HolidaySs Giveaway - Winners Re-Re-Re-Re-Drawn - 24 hours to Claim!

Get your HBT Growlers, Shirts and Membership before the Rush!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Beginners Beer Brewing Forum > 3 Beers, 2 Brewers, Same Long Bitter Flavor at the End
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 07-27-2012, 02:49 AM   #1
BeerBroecker
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 9
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default 3 Beers, 2 Brewers, Same Long Bitter Flavor at the End

Hopefully the HBT knowledge pool can help solve this mystery. Between brew buddy and myself, we have brewed 3 extract batches all completely different styles (Kolsch, Hefe, and Porter). All three batches have been in bottle between 1-2 months. And all three finish with a similar lingering bitterness.

We live in the same area but do have different water companies. Two out of the three batches were BB kits. The third was an extract brew but not a kit. Different hops and hopping schedules were used in all three. Batches were all 5 gallon brewed in SS pots and fermented in BB 6 gallon plastic pails. Starsan used for steri. No adjustments were made for water chemistry. Lou, KY is known for "great" drinking water for what that is worth. My personal opinion is it does taste good even without the "beer" in it.

I am trying to ID the source of the bitterness because it needs to go away. While it doesn't make the beer undrinkable, it stops it from being something I would make again. And frankly it is very annoying.

I appreciate any thoughts and/or suggestions.

__________________
BeerBroecker is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 02:57 AM   #2
Pezedorado
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Severna Park, MD
Posts: 67
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 10

Default

From a Water Quality point, I know KY is a cavernous region, which contributes to the "great" drinking water claim. Cavernous regions are always connected to calcium rich groudwater, which will lead to enhanced bitterness. It might be as simple as trimming down the bittering hops due to the enhanced bitterness from hard water. You'd need to look at the water report. "Great" drinking water can mean simply great taste and typically, very hard water often tastes great because the dissolved ions are pleasant on the palate.

__________________
Pezedorado is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 03:01 AM   #3
ong
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 848
Liked 118 Times on 93 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Did all the recipes involve steeping some specialty grains? What was the process for that?

__________________

Oregonians: trade canned goods, homebrew, fresh produce, and more at chowswap.org!

ong is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 05:20 AM   #4
ChessRockwell
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Canton, ME
Posts: 558
Liked 29 Times on 26 Posts
Likes Given: 23

Default

Since you're brewing extract batches, try one using distilled water. I've heard it's preferable to use distilled water when brewing with extract since all the minerals etc. are already in the extract.

If you still have the problem this will at least rule out water as the source of it.

__________________
ChessRockwell is offline
XXguy Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 05:28 AM   #5
GNBrews
HBT_SUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 670
Liked 11 Times on 7 Posts
Likes Given: 7

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ong View Post
Did all the recipes involve steeping some specialty grains? What was the process for that?
A agree with ong. What's your process for steeping your specialty grains? That "bitter" flavor may be tannins.

Also, if you haven't read about it before, "late extract additions" gave me the best beers when doing extract batches.
__________________
GNBrews is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 05:32 AM   #6
casonso1
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: west valley city, utah
Posts: 10
Default

another thing to try would be only boiling 1 or 2 pounds of the extract for the full boil time and adding the rest with like 5 minutes or so left in the boil. adjust your hops for a lower gravity because your utilization will be better at a lower gravity.

__________________
casonso1 is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 12:13 PM   #7
BeerBroecker
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 9
Liked 1 Times on 1 Posts
Likes Given: 1

Default

Thanks for the replies everyone. For the two extract brews I did, the specialty grains were steeped at 152F for 15 minutes and then raised to drain but no squeezing.

I am suspect that the water is contributing to issue as well. I plan to brew this weekend. I did not mention in the first post that I have since graduated to all-grain. What are your thoughts on the addition of Campden tablet to my water for this next batch? I would like to adjust one variable at a time and this seemed pretty straight forward. Then if the taste was still there I would switch to RO or distilled and add back minerials?

Also always, thanks for your comments and insight.

__________________
BeerBroecker is offline
XXguy Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 12:35 PM   #8
Mojzis
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 1,143
Liked 114 Times on 85 Posts
Likes Given: 79

Default

Even though you have different water companies, could be using the same water source.

__________________
Mojzis is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 12:46 PM   #9
DPBISME
Feedback Score: 1 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 993
Liked 69 Times on 56 Posts
Likes Given: 76

Default

I love it "it does taste good even without the "beer" in it. "

But ya,,, I like both suggestions though I think the water is the issue... cut back on the bittering hops or add some distilled water to the boil as suggested...

I would cut back first and see haw that works since it is cheaper than buy additional items...

The late boil additions should be fine (I think and Chemists please correct me if wrong)...

I think John Palmers book takes about water in about as layman terns as you can get.

TWO
1 - suggestions Find out what water profile you have an make a beer that fits it... Maybe a "Burton Ale"
2 - let it age a bit longer,,, the harshness will disapate over time... (tough thing to do really)

__________________
DPBISME is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 07-27-2012, 12:53 PM   #10
Yooper
Ale's What Cures You!
HBT_ADMIN.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Yooper's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 62,809
Liked 4916 Times on 3565 Posts
Likes Given: 990

Default

It sounds like the water has high alkalinity. In order to see if that's the problem, you could try one batch with distilled or reverse osmosis water. If that fixes it, you know it your water.

You can get a good water report from Ward Labs for $16.50 that will tell you everything you need to know about your water for brewing.

I have great tasting water, but because it's got a lot of carbonate in it, it can make my lighter colored beers have a harsh edge to it.

It's especially important with AG brewing to find out what's in the water, as mash pH plays a big role in the final flavor of the beer.

__________________
Broken Leg Brewery
Giving beer a leg to stand on since 2006

Find me on facebook: Lorena Evans
But I'm pretty boring so don't expect much!
https://www.facebook.com/lorena.t.evans
Yooper is online now
NordeastBrewer77 Likes This 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply



Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Just started brewing using a turkey fryer and beers are coming out bitter m_c_zero Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 16 04-27-2012 02:42 AM
Big beers long, Small beers short? TomToro Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 6 03-25-2012 03:14 PM
Low bitter, but high hop flavor/aroma? JiveTurkey Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 20 02-01-2012 04:04 AM
First two AG beers seem to be acidic/bitter... kbuzz Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 23 01-18-2012 02:48 AM
Extract beers are bitter Huskysibe Beginners Beer Brewing Forum 4 09-21-2011 04:56 PM



Newest Threads

LATEST SPONSOR DEALS