I've never tried the kit,but found it interesting that Michelob "amber bock" is really a dark lager,making it an American knock off of a German "swartzbeir". I read about one that can be purchased here on the germanbeerinstitute.com. I forget the name right off. I wonder how close these recipes come to something like that?
Everything works if ya let it-Roady(meatloaf)