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tbrown4 07-06-2012 03:55 AM

I want to get one more saison brewed this summer. I've been wanting to make a saison in the 7.5%ABV area that's relatively light in color, with galaxy hops and honey.

Here's what I've got so far:
Original Gravity: 1.076 (1.048 - 1.065)
Terminal Gravity: 1.019 (1.002 - 1.012)
Color: 5.05 (5.0 - 14.0)
Alcohol: 7.57% (5.0% - 7.0%)
Bitterness: 32.6 (20.0 - 35.0)

Ingredients:
1.0*lb 2-Row Caramel Malt 10L (steep)
6.0*lb Dry Extra Light Extract
0.5*oz Australian Galaxy (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 45.0*m
0.5*oz Australian Galaxy (13.0%) - added during boil, boiled 15.0*m
0.0*tsp Irish Moss - added during boil, boiled 15.0*m
3.0*lb Honey
1.0*ea WYeast 3711 French Saison

I don't want this thing to be overly bitter, but I've also been wanting to use galaxy hops as I've really enjoyed beers with it. Is a 45 min addition worth doing? I see that at 60 min it may push beyond my preferred IBU range. Or, should I just go with more of a different strain of hop and do a full 60 min with a smaller late aroma addition? Or, do you think the perceived bitterness wont be as much due to somewhat large malt bill?

The honey I plan to add after fermentation has begun. Did some reading on brewing with honey and this seems to be the general consensus, no? I understand that I wont be able to get a real accurate gravity reading as a result.

The yeast was harvested from the first saison, which I just bottled a few days ago. It's washed. I plan to make a little yeast starter to wake it up.

I could be brewing as soon as this weekend. Thanks in advance for any feedback!

smokinj 07-07-2012 03:57 PM

32.6 IBUs is pretty low for a 1.076 beer, but not too low. If you are really wanting to capture the flavor and aroma from the galaxy hops, I would move the 45 minute addition to flameout, and use some other high alpha for bittering. As far as when to add your bittering hops, 60 or 45 is fine but you need a smaller addition at 60 so it is prefereed. The honey should be fine to add after high krausen. It seems to me that with 3# of honey in there it should ferment lower than 1.019, but i may be wrong. Overall sounds good!

tbrown4 07-07-2012 04:13 PM

Thanks for the feedback!

I changed the recipe up a little. Using 2# honey malt to steep. Changed the hops totally. Using 1 oz Saaz for bittering at 60 or 45, and 1 oz Citra for aroma at 5. For the honey I went with orange blossom.

If all goes well with the yeast starter I just kicked off, this baby should be brewed tomorrow morning.

smokinj 07-07-2012 04:38 PM

Awesome! The honey malt will give you quite a bit more honey flavor than the actual honey, but 2# is a ton for a 5 gallon batch. Just my .02, but 1/2# would probably give a better result.

tbrown4 07-07-2012 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by smokinj
Awesome! The honey malt will give you quite a bit more honey flavor than the actual honey, but 2# is a ton for a 5 gallon batch. Just my .02, but 1/2# would probably give a better result.

Would the flavors from 2# of honey malt be too much? Like, cloyingly sweet?

beergolf 07-07-2012 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tbrown4 (Post 4232532)
Would the flavors from 2# of honey malt be too much? Like, cloyingly sweet?

Yes, way to much. Cut it back to 4-6 oz. Brew software does not understand 3711. It will finish way lower than the software predicts, so take that into account with your OG. It usually finishes very low. Even an extract brew should finish at something like 1.004-1.005. Which will give more Abv than you are looking for.

tbrown4 07-07-2012 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beergolf

Yes, way to much. Cut it back to 4-6 oz. Brew software does not understand 3711. It will finish way lower than the software predicts, so take that into account with your OG. It usually finishes very low. Even an extract brew should finish at something like 1.004-1.005. Which will give more Abv than you are looking for.

Hmm, ok. Ill consider that. Smokinj, thoughts?

smokinj 07-07-2012 06:17 PM

I concur. :mug:

tbrown4 07-07-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by smokinj
I concur. :mug:

Ok then. Thanks!

Jukas 07-07-2012 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by smokinj (Post 4232373)
32.6 IBUs is pretty low for a 1.076 beer, but not too low.

If you believe the hops chart that actually falls right into evenly balanced. With adding honey and using 3711 I'd expect that saison to go dry which would make the hop bitterness more pronounced.


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