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Old 03-25-2009, 10:29 PM   #21
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I am brewing the very same batch (recipe and yeast) as the batch before it, if i do not find no noticeable difference in clarity, then the secondary is gonna be a thing of the past for me.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised, assuming it doesn't interfere with your empty carboy pipeline.

Personally, I ferment ales for 10 - 14 days, cold crash at ~40F in the primary with 1/4 tsp gelatin for 3 - 5 days, and keg. I can verify this process works well because I only get a very thin, compact layer of yeast sediment in the bottom of the keg after it's been emptied.


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With a secondary you will have less sediment to knock aorund when transfering, but otherwise what lamarguy is correct.

Though I don't find filtering to be that expensive. Up front costs may be up there a bit but once you have your cartridge system going, it lasts a long time as long as you clean it.



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And to be completely honest, i dont really mind a moderately cloudy beer for starters, it's homebrew and live Brewer's yeast (proBiotics) is something Bio freaks go rush and buy at health supplements store because of it's great health beneficial properties...

So why fuss it out of beer really?

And... as i mentioned, bottling, or kegging and letting it sit in there for a week or two will also make the beer become a lot clearer so...

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I suppose I will throw in a vote for primary only. While I am a fairly inexperienced brewer, 6 batches to date, for time/space reasons I am sticking with strictly primary. I just bottled a Red Cherry Ale a few days ago, my lightest beer to date, and it was uber-clear, two things I did differently this time I think helped greatly:
Used a carboy instead of a bucket for the first time, could see exactly what I was racking to the bottling bucket and avoided picking up the sludge.

Left it in the primary for about 4 weeks, as opposed to only about 2 weeks on previous batches.

We'll see how it tastes in a few weeks, but I can't imagine needing the beer to be any clearer.

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I guess my answer wasn't really complete- I "cheat" because I keg most of my beers so that's one reason I'm happy skipping a secondary. I can leave the beer in the keg for a few weeks until I tap it, and end up with crystal clear, well conditioned beer. If I was still bottling, I'd either do a secondary or a much longer primary. If I was doing a "big" beer, I'd definitely secondary it.
If it is a big beer like a stout,or bock or something dark,clearing is not really nessesary is it? Why would you secondary a "big beer"?
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Why would you secondary a "big beer"?
Some people are concerned that extended aging on the yeast cake will result in detectable yeast autolyis off flavors. The general rule of thumb people throw around is ~6 months, which (in my experience) is an acceptable time frame for 98% of beers.
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Some people are concerned that extended aging on the yeast cake will result in detectable yeast autolyis off flavors. The general rule of thumb people throw around is ~6 months, which (in my experience) is an acceptable time frame for 98% of beers.
so a month on the yeast cake wont hurt a stout?
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so a month on the yeast cake wont hurt a stout?
Sure won't.
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i like to rack to secondary because I love to brew and every step is fun for me, so its another excuse to taste my beer, see my product and be part of the experience!

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i like to rack to secondary because I love to brew and every step is fun for me, so its another excuse to taste my beer, see my product and be part of the experience!
Thats what i call True Blooded badassed Enthusiam!

You sir are the Rambo of Homebrewers!



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