New Zealand Hop Help - Page 2

Thehopguy · 01-09-2012, 05:49 PM

i think your original recipe looked fine. looked more like a really hoppy pale ale, which is my kind of beer. when I make ipas and pale ales, i like to go for lower initial bitterings, as not to make it too bitter and make it very flavorful and aromatic with late additions. and those new zealand hops would make it taste and smell amazing!

IffyG · 01-09-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Double_D

ignore the IBU contributed by the later additions it's mostly flavor oils. I'm not an expert on the isomerization thing but for what you're doing those IBUs are negligible.

I disagree with this statement. Most of my pale ales are made with hop bursting and I use larger quantities of hops at the later additions. Without running the numbers, I'd say he is going to get a significant amount of IBUs out of the later additions (mainly because they are high alpha hops).

**ravensbrew** · 01-09-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IffyG

I disagree with this statement. Most of my pale ales are made with hop bursting and I use larger quantities of hops at the later additions. Without running the numbers, I'd say he is going to get a significant amount of IBUs out of the later additions (mainly because they are high alpha hops).

I agree completely with this statement. If you want a hoppy beer, don't discount hop bursting!

My current house pale uses Galaxy and Citra all added at 15m and 5m left in the boil and it is absolutely fantastic, rave reviews all around.

**Double_D** · 01-09-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IffyG

I disagree with this statement. Most of my pale ales are made with hop bursting and I use larger quantities of hops at the later additions. Without running the numbers, I'd say he is going to get a significant amount of IBUs out of the later additions (mainly because they are high alpha hops).

He ran the numbers. About ten IBU. I wasn't suggesting against large additions at the end of the boil for flavor. I swear by it. But he's not making a pale ale or an IPA he's making an amber that he wants to be hoppy. Just that the actual contribution of bitterness from late additions in relation to the bittering hops are in question.

IffyG · 01-09-2012, 11:43 PM

I just plugged in his late hop additions into Beer Smith for a 4 gallon partial boil and I'm showing 35 IBUs from just them which is on par with my experience. That's quite a bit of IBUs from late additions and if he doesn't want a super bitter beer, it needs to be kept in mind.

Keep in mind I don't use true 'bittering' hops when I'm brewing my beer, I rely on the high alpha hops I use in the hop bursting to get the job done. I'd say Nelson and Galaxy are both high alpha hops and adding a high bittering charge at the beginning on the boil will produce a super bitter beer.

**Double_D** · 01-09-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IffyG

I just plugged in his late hop additions into Beer Smith for a 4 gallon partial boil and I'm showing 35 IBUs from just them which is on par with my experience. That's quite a bit of IBUs from late additions and if he doesn't want a super bitter beer, it needs to be kept in mind.

Keep in mind I don't use true 'bittering' hops when I'm brewing my beer, I rely on the high alpha hops I use in the hop bursting to get the job done. I'd say Nelson and Galaxy are both high alpha hops and adding a high bittering charge at the beginning on the boil will produce a super bitter beer.

Man, that's weird because this is what I got. I even used a 3.5 gallon finished volume and boiled down. It must be because I put the late additions in as aroma hops.

**Double_D** · 01-10-2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Double_D

Man, that's weird because this is what I got. I even used a 3.5 gallon finished volume and boiled down. It must be because I put the late additions is as aroma hops.

Anyway, the point is moot. He didn't post his updated recipe.

stevethepirate · 01-10-2012, 03:50 AM

The new hop schedule I have come up with while taking into account the 4 gallon boil is:

0.35 oz. Galaxy at 60min
0.50 oz. Nelson at 15min
1.00 oz. Galaxy at 5min
1.00 oz. Nelson at 5min

the dry hops are the same as before.

I think this is closer to what I was originally looking for and I'm stoked about the increased utilization from the 4 gallon boil leaving me enough left over hops to get another beer out of them.

stevethepirate · 02-01-2012, 05:44 PM

I just brewed this on Sunday and it went great. It smells amazing and is fermenting away right now. I'm going to be adding the dry hops in another couple of days most likely and will update again after bottling.