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Old 06-13-2011, 06:33 PM   #91
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I was chasing this issue for extracts and have noticed by far LME is much cheaper than DME.
Remember that LME contains a lot of water weight. That williams site says that their LME is worth 32 gravity points ("degrees") per pound of extract in each gallon. Briess claims 44ish for their pilsen light DME, which I get at around $2.30-2.50 depending on shipping. 44/32 = 1.375, which is to say that one pound of the Briess DME is worth 1.375 pounds of this Liquid Malt Extract. Your 1.96/ pound is now about $2.70 per pound equivalent (1.375 pounds of LME) of DME -- not cheaper at all really . . .
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Old 06-13-2011, 07:16 PM   #92
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Exactly. I was all excited until I saw it was LME.

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Old 06-20-2011, 09:47 AM   #93
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I know North Country Malt still sells to homebrew clubs if the club has ordered from them before. I cannot attest to shipping because I live an hour away from Chicago but they do sell a 50# bag of DME for $70. I know this doesn't work for everyone but if you are in the area maybe look for a local club and see about a group order.

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Old 06-21-2011, 11:00 PM   #94
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Remember that LME contains a lot of water weight. That williams site says that their LME is worth 32 gravity points ("degrees") per pound of extract in each gallon. Briess claims 44ish for their pilsen light DME, which I get at around $2.30-2.50 depending on shipping. 44/32 = 1.375, which is to say that one pound of the Briess DME is worth 1.375 pounds of this Liquid Malt Extract. Your 1.96/ pound is now about $2.70 per pound equivalent (1.375 pounds of LME) of DME -- not cheaper at all really . . .
I don't have time to do the math right now vs the Briess one, but I did take the 20% water weight into consideration. I did not however take the gravity points you list into consideration. Can you point me to the place on the Williams site which lists their LME as being worth 32 gravity points (I assume your not confusing the 32lbs product weight)?

Strictly on price, it seems to me that LME almost always wins.
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Unless I'm mistaken....but I don't think I am. William's extract is made by Alexander's Malt.

http://forums.morebeer.com/viewtopic...26152&p=254099

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Strictly on price, it seems to me that LME almost always wins.
Yes, i would agree here...it is usually cheaper overall IMO, perhaps it is cheaper to make?? FYI North Country Malt sells the Briess 60 lb pail of LME for around $65.
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Keep in mind that DME stores much better than LME. I can buy a 50lb sack and just toss it in a couple of buckets with lids and it's good for over a year. LME not so much, you want to keep it refrigerated and once opened the clock really starts ticking.

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It also takes more lb of LME than DME to reach the same gravity.

There are conversions but a good rule of thumb is that 1lb of DME will give you the same gravity as 1.25lb of LME.

Of course this depends a little bit on the malt manufacturer and how many ppg each type of malt is rated at. But this is a good average figure.

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Update ---- I went through farmhouse brewing, 50 lb. bag of Briess Golden Light and various other hops/yeast included in the order, shipping was 24.99 for the whole load, which I thought was reasonable considering the bag was 125.00. My local is 155 plus tax, not much of a savings but FB's yeast and hops are literally half price, and my local doesn't carry Apollo, which I can't wait to try.

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I don't have time to do the math right now vs the Briess one, but I did take the 20% water weight into consideration. I did not however take the gravity points you list into consideration. Can you point me to the place on the Williams site which lists their LME as being worth 32 gravity points (I assume your not confusing the 32lbs product weight)?

Strictly on price, it seems to me that LME almost always wins.
See Section 4.1 of their FAQs ("product questions"). It's actually 34ppg that they list, so it takes 1.294 pounds of this LME to equal the ppg of the Briess DME.

The comparison to Briess DME is $2.54 per pound-equivalent, which makes it very close -- not really worth considering more expensive than Briess DME from NCM for all intents and purposes.

Anyway, LME is easier to use since you don't have to stir it much, and as long as you use it within it's shelf life, you'd have to be a real snob to notice the difference (I doubt most beer enthusiasts could even tell all-grain brew from extract in a blind test, let alone LME vs DME, for that matter).

So go for the LME -- after all it's threads like these that get homebrewers cut off from big distributors like NCM in the first place. It's a moot point comparing to NCM's Briess price since no new accounts are being taken anyway. I guess I should consider myself lucky to have been grandfathered in to their accounts list and shut up about it before I ruin it again . . .
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