Both notions have been disproven fellas. Hop utilization is not dependent on boil gravity, except for the super-saturation of hop oils if you're going for >100 IBU type beers. Also, wort darkening from early extract additions is also untrue. The boil isn't hot enough to caramelize the sugars. That being said, there's nothing wrong with either practice. I add extract at flameout. It helps cool the wort!
I don't think it's so much boil off, but it is an interesting thought. We make caramel on the stove top, so it doesn't have to be several hundred degrees or anything.
Both notions have been disproven fellas. Hop utilization is not dependent on boil gravity, except for the super-saturation of hop oils if you're going for >100 IBU type beers.
Both notions have been disproven fellas. Hop utilization is not dependent on boil gravity, except for the super-saturation of hop oils if you're going for >100 IBU type beers. Also, wort darkening from early extract additions is also untrue. The boil isn't hot enough to caramelize the sugars. That being said, there's nothing wrong with either practice. I add extract at flameout. It helps cool the wort!
Both notions have been disproven fellas. Hop utilization is not dependent on boil gravity, except for the super-saturation of hop oils if you're going for >100 IBU type beers.
So just to be clear, are you saying that wort gravity theoretically makes a difference, but it's just the difference is so small as to be inconsequential on the homebrew scale? Or a you saying it doesn't even factor in one bit?
You see people talk about a 60 IBU beer where the IBUs all come from big doses of late hops being "smoother" than 60-min hop IBUs. This always strikes me as odd. If its smoother then its not as bitter, and therefore should have a lower IBU number. What they're really saying is that the equations say both beers are 60 IBUs, which they can't be the same, by simple inspection with your tongue! More evidence that the equations are flawed. If someone wants to argue that there's different kinds of bitterness, then the equations are even less useful.
Thanks for proving my point. If those two beers test at the same IBU number, then the equations have little value since the perceived tastes are vastly different. If they don't test at the same IBU level, then the equations are equally less useful since they're not giving you an accurate number for the late hops.
Look, its ok if its not accurate. Its just a tool. IBU is just a number. And its a tool were applying a big fudge factor to try to model big, late addition hops, which they were never intended to characterize. We're not really gauging late hops by the IBUs anyways. You're doing the same as everyone else. You're using nice round hop weights. You're not targeting an exact IBU number with the late hop quantities. You're using a weight that you read someone else use or that you've used and liked, regardless of AA% of the hop.
"perceived bitterness"??? Perception is e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.
I've got buddies who are old school IPA fans, which are fizzy yellow beers withh tons of hop bite. You can't tell them that your 21g/gallon whirlpool addition is 80 IBUs. They don't taste it. If they bought a bottle of a beer that said 80 IBUs on the label and all they got was a burst of citrus fruit, they'd be pissed.
I'm having trouble reading a clear answer from anybody on this thread. I'll provide an example that might help us to illustrate our points. I'm making a hoppy american red (NB's West Coast Radical Red kit) this weekend, with an extract recipe since I don't have time for all grain right now. My plan is: steep 2lb grains -> add 1lb DME -> add hops -> full volume 60 min boil -> 6lbs LME at flameout. Does anyone think this is a stupid plan? Thanks for input.
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