Kegconnection Complete Starter Kit and More Giveaway!


Home Brew Forums > Home Brewing Beer > Extract Brewing > Kit + DME ? LME? Honey? Sugar?

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-29-2011, 11:50 PM   #1
Dondlelinger
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Kelowna, BC / Canada
Posts: 116
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts

Default Kit + DME ? LME? Honey? Sugar?

Hey everybody,

Main question is what fermentable should I add to a coopers draught kit? I was thinking of adding a few pounds of dme and a cup or so of table sugar..(till og is roughly 1.046)

Any thoughts?

__________________

Aging - Coopers Real Ale + Honey
Aging - Coopers Lauger + DME
Fermenting - Coopers Draught + 1 oz hops

Dondlelinger is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2011, 02:18 AM   #2
ACbrewer
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
Posts: 1,520
Liked 88 Times on 81 Posts
Likes Given: 2

Default

I've been accused of having thoughts... but there are others who disagree....

On this topic here is the basics - if you add a malt (LMEor DME) it will improve mouth feel while adding alcohol. If you add table sugar or honey or brown sugar, you will improve the alcohol, but it will have a thinner mouth feel.

If you have a choice, do dme.

__________________
ACbrewer is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2011, 02:21 AM   #3
Revvy
Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
Revvy's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: "Detroitish" Michigan
Posts: 40,804
Liked 2711 Times on 1629 Posts
Likes Given: 3484

Default

If you aren't balancing your recipe out, and just adding simple sugars for the simple purpose of copping higher buzz, you're going to make something that tastes like bad cider.

In Belgian and strong beers it is used to boost the alcohol and thin the body of already very malty beersm that would be like cough syrup if we didn't. Indescriminantly throwing sugar in any old recipe is a recipe for disaster.

What are you after making great tasting beer (like most of us are) or just copping a cheap buzz?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BigEd View Post
Make the kit the way it's designed and then brew something bigger next time is my suggestion. This question (boosting alcohol content) gets asked all the time and while the simplest thing is to just add more fermentable ingredients this will cause an in-balance in the recipe. For the beer to taste like it should many of the other aspects of the recipe would have to be altered as well. To make a crude analogy, you can put a bigger engine in a car to boost horsepower but now will the transmission, brakes and tires be adequate? Enjoy the Scottish ale for what it is and plan for a bigger brew next time around.

It's not about just slopping a bunch of stuff together, it's really about how everything works together.

If you want a higher abv beer, then make your next kit higher. It really isn't about the booze, but the flavor that most of us care about. We're not brewing to get whacked, but to make great tasting beer.

For example a mild IS a great tasting beer, despite it's low alcohol content. Because there's not a high alcohol backbone, you can really get some nice subtle flavors it it.

Besides, Beer recipes are a balance...and if you add to one variable, that will affect other parts of it...For example if you decide to raise the gravity of a balanced beer...a beer where the hops balance out the sweetness...and you raise the maltniness of it without alaso balancing the hops, then your beer may end up being way too cloyingly sweet. Or if you just add sugar willy nilly it could become overly dry, or cidery.

SO I would just brew this, and enjoy it, don't worry if you get buzzed or not, and make your next batch as high as you want.

My take on this is that there is a difference between true experimentation and throwing things together "willy nilly." I have noticed on here is that a lot of noobs think what they are doing is experimentation, when in reality they are just throwing a bunch of stuff against the wall and hoping it sticks.

Throwing a bunch of stuff in your fermenter and seeing what you get at the end, and ending up making an "is my beer ruined" thread is not the same thing as experimenting.

To me, in order to experiment truly, you have to have an understanding of the fundamentals. You have to know how the process works somewhat. You have to have an understanding of how different ingredients or processes affect the final product. You may even need to know, or at least understand something about beer styles, and what goes into making one beer a Porter and another a pale ale. And where your concoction will fall on the continuoum.


To me it's like cooking or even Jazz. But going back to the cooking analogy. Coming up with a balanced and tasty recipe takes some understanding of things...just like cooking...dumping a cup of salt will more than likely ruin a recipe...so if you cook, you KNOW not to do that...it's the same with brewing...you get an idea with experience and looking at recipes, brewing and playing with software how things work..what flavors work with each other, etc...

That to me is the essence of creating...I have gotten to a point where I understand what I am doing, I get how ingredients work or don't work with each other, so I am not just throwing a bunch of stuff together to see what I get.

I have an idea of what I want it to taste like, and my challenge then is to get the right combination of ingredients to match what is in my head. That's also pretty much how I come up with new food recipes as well.

You'll get there....a LOT sooner, if you focus on the fundamentals, and get your processes in order...rather than just playing around.

I think, if you haven't read a brewing book, that is an important step. I would start by reading this book.

http://www.howtobrew.com/intro.html

But brew the kit as is, that's how it was designed.
__________________

Like my snazzy new avatar? Get Sons of Zymurgy swag, here, and brew with the best.

Revvy's one of the cool reverends. He has a Harley and a t-shirt that says on the back "If you can read this, the bitch was Raptured. - Madman

I gotta tell ya, just between us girls, that Revvy is HOT. Very tall, gorgeous grey hair and a terrific smile. He's very good looking in person, with a charismatic personality... he drives like a ****ing maniac! - YooperBrew

Revvy is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2011, 06:46 AM   #4
Dondlelinger
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Kelowna, BC / Canada
Posts: 116
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Revvy

Your missing the entire plot here.

This is a coopers can kit. it requires adding sugars. so it's actually the way its supposed to be.. hehe.

Cooper's Lauger Extract
Also known as kit a kilo...or whatever you guys call them

First you buy the extract(picture above)... then u need to add additional sugars to them to raise your gravity and flavour of brew..

Its normally called a brew enhancer = 70% dextrose + 30% maltodextrin

so me adding 500g of dme and 1-2cups of sugar = the same thing.. but i might have added to much dme and not enough sugar by their standards XD

1.042-1.046 is exactly what the recipe calls your og to be..lol

__________________

Aging - Coopers Real Ale + Honey
Aging - Coopers Lauger + DME
Fermenting - Coopers Draught + 1 oz hops

Dondlelinger is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2011, 04:12 PM   #5
PT Ray
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,372
Liked 6 Times on 6 Posts

Default

Use half DME/LME and sugar. If I use all malt extract in my Coopers it only attenuates to about 73% ADF. With a 1.046 gravity it'll finish around 1.012. For a 1.046 I want at least a 1.010 finishing gravity. One of the ways I do it is using plain old table sugar with some extract.

One thing that I feel contributes to extract/kit beers tasting like kit beers is a high finishing gravity. That sweetness is syrupy and cloying. All grain doesn't have that.

__________________
PT Ray is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2011, 05:20 PM   #6
unionrdr
Wannabe author
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
unionrdr's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sheffield, Ohio
Posts: 27,966
Liked 1852 Times on 1633 Posts
Likes Given: 1324

Default

You could even use the cooper's "brew enhancer 2" if you want a little color/flavor kick. It's 500g of dextrose,250g of maltodextrin,& 250g of light DME mixed together. And their "brewing sugar" is a lot like brew enhancer 1,but 80% dextrose,20% maltodextrine.
I've found that if you add plain DME to the cooper's can,you have to add a couple ounces of hops as late additions to help balance out the extra malt flavors that'll result. Maybe even cut the batch volume from 23L down to 22L to boost the quality of flavor/mouth feel,etc just that little bit more.
__________________
Everything works if ya let it-Roady(meatloaf)
My new book is on Amazon Kindle! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L3MCU0W
unionrdr is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 04-30-2011, 07:57 PM   #7
Dondlelinger
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Kelowna, BC / Canada
Posts: 116
Liked 3 Times on 2 Posts

Default

Thanks guys so basically your saying this will work fine ... and guess what I dropped from 23liters to 20l on my batch fermenting.. I added 500gdme and 2 cup white sugar..
2 cups of white sugar = approx 1pound
dme @ 500g = 1 pound
total approx 1kilo

so from what i read this brew should turn out pretty good..

Quote:
And their "brewing sugar" is a lot like brew enhancer 1,but 80% dextrose,20% maltodextrine
Yeah I'm actually trying to find a place in town that has maltodextine, I heard health food shops, or supplement shops might carry it since I dont have any LBS.
__________________

Aging - Coopers Real Ale + Honey
Aging - Coopers Lauger + DME
Fermenting - Coopers Draught + 1 oz hops

Dondlelinger is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-01-2011, 09:15 PM   #8
ChaosBrewing
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Carbondale IL
Posts: 22
Default Coopers Real Ale

I just started a Coopers Real Ale kit, I used the Can of Hopped LME and for the rest of the kit I put 1.5lbs of Muntons Plain DME and 1lb of corn sugar and then topped of to the 5.5 gallon mark bucket, it came to a O.G. of 1.042. I have never made Coopers before, but it sounds like we are kind of on the same track. I have been reading that cane sugar will give a cider like taste, that is why I used corn sugar.

__________________
ChaosBrewing is offline
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old 05-02-2011, 06:28 PM   #9
unionrdr
Wannabe author
HBT_LIFETIMESUPPORTER.png
Feedback Score: 0 reviews
 
unionrdr's Avatar
Recipes 
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sheffield, Ohio
Posts: 27,966
Liked 1852 Times on 1633 Posts
Likes Given: 1324

Default

I think the corn sugar brews out cleaner than table sugar,having used both over time. but the brewing sugar is def better. The maltodextrin doesn't ferment out,increasing that "creamy" sort of mouth feel just a tad. The brew enhancer2 would be even better,as it's 500g dextrose,250g of light DME,& 250g of maltodextrin. Seems a bit odd that you got only a 1.042 out of 5.5 gallons. I get 1.044-1.048 out of 6G,using a hopped cooper's can (1.7kg),with 3lbs (about 1.4kg) of plain DME,with 2 ounces of late hop additions. I see you used 1.5lbs of DME & 1lb of dex,which is pretty close to the amount of fermentables I use in a 6 gallon cooper's batch.?...
__________________
Everything works if ya let it-Roady(meatloaf)
My new book is on Amazon Kindle! http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00L3MCU0W
unionrdr is online now
 
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Reply


Quick Reply
Message:
Options
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
sugar v.s honey ritchie Extract Brewing 5 08-24-2012 09:43 PM
Honey Wheat: Strong Honey Flavor Superkabuto Extract Brewing 13 06-02-2010 05:38 AM
Honey instead of sugar? MadBoozer Extract Brewing 15 03-03-2010 09:16 PM
About Honey JocoBrew6976 Extract Brewing 30 12-08-2008 07:55 PM
Honey Adam's Apples Extract Brewing 8 01-11-2008 12:01 AM