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Old 06-27-2012, 11:18 PM   #1
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Default Hot ASS Saison

I"m going for my first saison here... using this recipe by a fellow tucsonan

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f37/belg...0/#post3183751

only adjusting the recipe to exclude the Hallertau hops being that I forgot them when I left the LHBS

using 3724 as the yeast and leaving it in an 80 degree ambient temp house (swamp cooling in summer may suck for living in but it seems to be great for saison's).

my question is with it being this warm (gonna leave it near a sliding glass door to boost the temps a bit) would I be better off with the 3724 or the 3711 yeast???

also being that I've never added sugars to the brew before. when do I add in the 2lb's of table sugar? after boil, during boil??

last but not least. using table sugar instead of corn sugar so if my calculations are correct I should use 6.75 ounces of table sugar instead of 7 ounces of corn sugar for priming. Am I correct in my conversion?

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Old 06-28-2012, 11:09 AM   #2
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Can't help with yeast question, I've never used those strains, sorry. But pounds of sugar should be added during the boil or at flame-out while the water is still hot enough to dissolve them. And as for priming sugars, I just stick with 3/4Cup unless you want more carbonation.

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while i'm not familiar with the "ass saison" style, I can say that 3724 ferments slowly -- at least 4 weeks in the primary -- whereas 3711 will finish off in about half that time. the tradeoff is that you don't get as many esters with 3711. if you are patient, go with 3724. put in the sugar late, the goal is to sterilize it in the wort, but you don't want it to caramelize. i add it between 5 minutes and 0 minutes.

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I brewed a recipe twice, once using the Belgian strain and once using the French strain. I preferred the French strain. Could be I preferred less esters.

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I used 3711 for my saison twice with great results each time. Highly recommend the French saison yeast. No stuck ferment and sat at 80 degrees in my fermentation chamber for ten days then ambient (70) for three more weeks in primary only. It is the clearest beer I have made to date. Great little spicy ester profile matches the orange peel in added to the boil nicely.

You might get more esters with the Belgian saison but risk a stuck fermentation (apparently).

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Old 06-28-2012, 02:36 PM   #6
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kewl, I'll use the standard sugar then. as for 3724 or 3711.... my LHBS only carries White Labs I found out and white labs doesnt' make a variation of 3711 (only 3724 which is WLP565). so I had to go with the Belgian strain. figured since I live in tucson I'll keep it inside at 80 degree average ambient temps and put it outside at night (mid to low 80's right now at night and pray that I don't get a stuck fermentation. Making a starter right now in a 2 liter jar (1 liter liquid with the vial of yeast) and will run that 24 hours so hopefully I'll have enough yeast to avoid a stuck one.

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If your ambient temp is 80F that might be high enough to ferment with the Belgian strain. I wouldn't put it outside. I think that the temperature fluctuations may cause the yeast to stall. Keep it inside and just wrap it in a blanket or something to insulate it. That way the heat from fermentation may keep the temp above 80F.

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Can't help with yeast question, I've never used those strains, sorry. But pounds of sugar should be added during the boil or at flame-out while the water is still hot enough to dissolve them. And as for priming sugars, I just stick with 3/4Cup unless you want more carbonation.
many people swear by adding sugar just at, or shortly after, the peak of fermentation (typically 2-4 days after pitching). the idea is to get the yeast to munch on the more complex maltose sugars first, then give them a "dessert" of easily digestible sucrose. folks who do this claim it can increase attenuation. makes sense to me, but i haven't compared it side-to-side.

and "stick with 3/4Cup" isn't particularly good advice. you should weigh your sugar. as you may have noticed all priming calculators give you a result in weight, not volume.
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I've used both 565 and 3711 -- like others have said, you'll get way more esters and character out of the 565. It is really a beautiful yeast, as long as you have the time and patience for it. I would recommend pitching low, letting it free rise, and then boosting/holding it in the high 70s/low 80s.

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I've used both 565 and 3711 -- like others have said, you'll get way more esters and character out of the 565. It is really a beautiful yeast, as long as you have the time and patience for it. I would recommend pitching low, letting it free rise, and then boosting/holding it in the high 70s/low 80s.
kewl, patience i can do (hopefully ). just out of curiosity what does "free rise" mean?
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