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Old 06-04-2012, 03:30 AM   #21
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I just got this beer as a birthday present and loved it. I wanted to clone it and went to their website and it said, "coriander, nutmeg, orange peel, and orange juice. Orange juice? Why am I not seeing any recipes with the OJ? Is this what's been missing, what creates that extra little bit of tartness?

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Old 06-04-2012, 03:57 AM   #22
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No doubt--that is a tasty beer. I'll be curious if someone has a clone that's close and/or knows what yeast strain to use. I can't recall if the beer is bottle-conditioned...to harvest our own...do you know?

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I just got this beer as a birthday present and loved it. I wanted to clone it and went to their website and it said, "coriander, nutmeg, orange peel, and orange juice. Orange juice? Why am I not seeing any recipes with the OJ? Is this what's been missing, what creates that extra little bit of tartness?
Yes, they use orange juice. The tartness most likely comes from a good amount of unmalted wheat though.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:59 PM   #24
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Yes, they use orange juice. The tartness most likely comes from a good amount of unmalted wheat though.
Thanks, I emailed thew brewery and this was their response:

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The percentage of orange juice is 1.5%.

Thank you.
So that's 9.6 ounces of OJ per 5 gallons of White Ale.
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I always see these beers but haven't bought one because of the poor track record of most Japanese beers for me. I'll definitely be snagging one this weekend.

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Old 11-25-2012, 08:29 PM   #26
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When should I add the coriander, nutmeg, orange peel, and orange juice? I am making this soon and don't know when to add these ingredients? Sorry for the thread resuscitation...

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Old 11-25-2012, 09:32 PM   #27
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Here are my notes:

#6 Pilsner Malt
#4 Wheat, Flaked
8oz Barley, Flaked

0.5oz Perle 45 min
0.5oz Styrian Goldings 5 min

0.25oz nutmeg (5 min)
0.5oz bitter orange peel (5 min)
0.75oz coriander (5 min)

1.25 cups of tangy OJ after fermentation is complete.

I'm torn on the yeast. WLP Belgian Wit II is my recommendation, but I used 400 because 410 was a special release only for the summer. That said, I did not think I was close enough on the yeast and have picked up similar characters in other beers I've done with WLP510 that were similar to the White Ale. I haven't tried 510 in the white ale, so up to you, if you want to do WLP510 or WLP400. Optimal is WLP410.

Watch the spices carefully. Too long and they will overpower. Do not add the OJ until fermentation is completely finished or it will be bad news for the brew.

I mashed 30 minutes at 122, 30 minutes at 154, and 10 minutes at 168.

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Old 11-26-2012, 03:35 PM   #28
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Did you use a spice bag or something? If I add those spices at the five minute mark... Id be hard pressed to remove them when I rack to secondary. I assume the coriander and nutmeg dissolved and could not be removed and we are really talking about the bitter orange peel. This is going to be a complex one so I think WLP410 is definitely the ideal. It would add spiciness notes. Though WLP510 is probably the best I will be able to do.

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No, I just added to the boil, no bag and didn't remove them. Good luck, let us know how it turns out.

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I recommend using tangerine juice rather than orange juice for a character that seems truer to the original.

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