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Old 12-07-2009, 05:35 PM   #1
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This is a beer that I have been brewing for the last couple years and I am looking for some ideas for making this beer better. This is for a 15 gal batch and it is an extract with specialty grains, 60 min. boil. This is a good beer just I want to get an outside opinion.

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4lbs Vienna
2lbs CaraPils
10lbs of Pale 2 Row

4.5 Liters of Light LME

Hops
.9oz Crystal (1st Wort)
.9oz Crystal (60 min.)
.7oz Northern Brewer (60 min.)
1.8oz Crystal (30 min.)

Yeast is White Labs WLP001

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Old 12-07-2009, 06:36 PM   #2
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have you ever tried using Maris Otter instead of the Pale 2 row?

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Old 12-07-2009, 07:02 PM   #3
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No I haven't....come to think about it I don't think I ever used that grain. How would it compare to 2-Row?

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Old 12-07-2009, 07:05 PM   #4
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No I haven't....come to think about it I don't think I ever used that grain. How would it compare to 2-Row?
It's "breadier" if there is such a thing. MO is "warmer" tasting to me, too.
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Old 12-07-2009, 07:10 PM   #5
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It's "breadier" if there is such a thing. MO is "warmer" tasting to me, too.
That does make sense. That also does sound pretty good. I like the Idea of trying to make this brew a bit more hardier.
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MO is usually a little pricier but I think it's well worth it. I love the stuff. i use a blend of 60% MO and 40% 2-row in most of my ag brews. The blend keeps the price down but still adds some really nice flavor.

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Old 12-07-2009, 08:47 PM   #7
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I have been reading that some grains are not so good for steeping, too much starch. Would MO be OK for steeping? or would I have to mash the grains?

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Both MO and 2-row should be mashed. Do you steep the 10lbs of 2-row? If so, you might consider mashing that also. 10 lbs is a lot of grain to steep. Do you know what the OG of your recipe would be without the LME? You might be better off mashing, skipping the LME, and using aroung 16 lbs of base malt (including some Maris Otter if you wish). This will keep the price down and give you a better beer.

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Yup, I have steeped the 10lbs of 2 row....well maybe I have been doing a PM and I am getting confused between the 2. tonight when I get home I'll have to check my notes and I will have more of the particulars.

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Both MO and 2-row should be mashed. Do you steep the 10lbs of 2-row? If so, you might consider mashing that also. 10 lbs is a lot of grain to steep. Do you know what the OG of your recipe would be without the LME? You might be better off mashing, skipping the LME, and using aroung 16 lbs of base malt (including some Maris Otter if you wish). This will keep the price down and give you a better beer.
Ok I am looking over my notes and my current OG is 1.050 give or take. I shoot for a FG of 1.013. What I have been doing is putting the crushed grains (split between 2 nylon bags) in my keggle let them soak in 140 degree water for 10 minutes to make sure they are soaked through, then raise the temp to 153 degrees and let them steep for 30 minutes (4 lbs of Vienna, 2 lbs of Cara pils and 10 lbs of 2row) then I turn up the heat to reach a boil. once I reach the boil I cut off the heat and add the extracts and the 1st wort hops turn on the heat once everything is disolved and continue with the boil.

You have me thinking I might get better results if I add the grains and keep the temp at 153 degrees for 60 minutes and then go to a boil.

I have never done the calculations for the wort if I didn't add the LME. according to the software it would come out to be 1.027. I am wondering what would happen if I just mash the grains take a reading then adjuct the extract to make up the diffrence.
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