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Old 01-14-2013, 11:55 AM   #11
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How many gallons are you doing for your boil? Not sure where 183 IBU came from. My calculator gives 160 IBU in a 7gal boil and 132 IBU in a 5gal boil.
I'm pretty new to this, but 2oz at 60min seems like a lot to me. I like bitter beers, but not THAT bitter. I'm curious to see what a 160 IBU beer tastes though...hint hint

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Old 01-14-2013, 12:23 PM   #12
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How many gallons are you doing for your boil? Not sure where 183 IBU came from. My calculator gives 160 IBU in a 7gal boil and 132 IBU in a 5gal boil.
I'm pretty new to this, but 2oz at 60min seems like a lot to me. I like bitter beers, but not THAT bitter. I'm curious to see what a 160 IBU beer tastes though...hint hint
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The soluability limit of iso-alpha acids tops out at about 110 IBUs. This has been tested and proven numerous times, beers with calculated IBUs of 200 or 300 or 1,000, when tested in a lab, will come back as having no more than 110 IBUs (and usually lower than this due to loses during fermentation). For example, Pliny calculates out as having over 200, but when tested comes back as being in the 90s.
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Old 01-14-2013, 12:28 PM   #13
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Here's my most recent recipe using Citra:

8oz Caramel 40L
7lbs Extra Pale LME
2lbs Buckwheat Honey (Flameout)
1oz Columbus (60mins)
.5oz Citra (10mins)
.5oz Citra (5mins)
1oz Citra (Flameout)
Dry Hop 2oz Citra (1 week)
WLP001 (Washed/1L Starter)

1.061 OG
63 IBU

Just brewed this on Friday and the smell was amazing. The wort tasted great as well although cloyingly sweet. The buckwheat honey adds nice color and flavor to the mix. I hope the beer retains some of that malty/honey flavor. I think the Columbus blends nicely with the grapefruit of the Citra.

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Old 01-14-2013, 10:29 PM   #14
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Thanks for the recipe.

I'm thinking about not just doing all citra, and just doing tropical.

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Old 01-14-2013, 10:47 PM   #15
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No prob. I only have 1oz of Citra left so I was thinking of doing Citra and Cascade for the dry hop if my lhbs doesn't have any Citra on hand. Either way would be great methinks. -)

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Old 01-14-2013, 11:25 PM   #16
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If you want it to be maltier you should look into using Munich malt extract. That way you don't have to mash but you can still get the maltiness of Munich.

Also you have WAY too many hops. Like Stevo said, there is just no point in using that many hops for bittering. You literally can't make it any more bitter than ~90-110 IBU so anything over that is pretty much a waste of hops unless you are using them for flavor or aroma addtions. So I would move the 60 min Citra to a later addition. Also, are you doing a full boil or a partial boil with top up water added? If you're doing a partial boil it's going to be hard to get the IBUs you want because you're diluting the IBUs by adding the top off water. So I would suggest doing a full boil or as close to one as possible. For IPAs you usually want your BU:GU (Bitterness:Gravity) ratio to be around 1. So if your gravity is 1.074 you should bitter to ~74 IBU to make it a balanced IPA.

Also I would replace more of the extract with simple sugar. Extract is pretty high in unfermentables so it always ends with a high FG which will be too sweet for an IPA. I would use maybe 1-1.5 lbs of sugar and take the OG to 1.060-1.070.

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Old 01-15-2013, 07:42 AM   #17
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If I don't do any late extract additions, my IBU's come out as 52 ish with 9 oz total hops..

Batch Size 5.000 gal Boil Size 3.000 gal
Boil Time 60.000 min Efficiency 70%
OG 1.075 FG 1.019
ABV 7.3% Bitterness 51.2 IBU (Tinseth)
Color 5.9 srm (Morey) Calories (per 12 oz.) 249
Fermentables

Total grain: 9.000 lb
Name Type Amount Mashed Late Yield Color
Dry Extract (DME) - Extra Light Dry Extract 6.000 lb No No 95% 3.0 srm
Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L Grain 8.000 oz No No 75% 20.0 srm
Sugar, Table (Sucrose) Sugar 1.500 lb No No 100% 1.0 srm
Briess LME - Munich Extract 16.000 oz No No 78% 8.0 srm
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Name Alpha Amount Use Time Form IBU
Citra 12% 1.000 oz Boil 15.000 min Pellet 9.3
Galaxy 13% 1.000 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 7.3
Citra 12% 1.000 oz Dry Hop 7.000 day Pellet 0.0
Citra 12% 1.000 oz Boil 0.000 s Pellet 0.0
Falconer's Flight 11.4% 1.000 oz Boil 10.000 min Pellet 6.4
Galaxy 13% 1.000 oz Boil 5.000 min Pellet 4.0
Warrior 15.5% 1.000 oz Boil 60.000 min Pellet 24.1
Falconer's Flight 11.4% 1.000 oz Dry Hop 7.000 day Pellet 0.0
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Name Type Use Amount Time
Whirlfloc Fining Boil 1.000 tsp 15.000 min



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Old 01-15-2013, 07:59 AM   #18
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Here's my 2 cents... go with your gut... don't overthink it.. It's just beer, it will be good(better than bmc) Citra is an amazing hop it will set your beer off with an amazing taste

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Old 01-15-2013, 01:07 PM   #19
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Late addition of extract has little to no effect on hop utilization. Recipe software vastly overestimates it. I would still add the extract late but don't use the late addition feature on your recipe calculator. I would also try to do as large a boil as you possibly can in order to get enough IBUs in the finished beer. Also, I put your recipe into my calculator at brewersfriend.com and it gave me 66 IBU with tinseth and 90 IBU with rager which sounds about right.

The recipe looks great to me! Should be just what you're looking for. I might add more munich extract because it's actually a 50/50 blend of munich and 2-row, but that's just me.

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Old 01-15-2013, 04:26 PM   #20
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Thanks for the comments.

So, 21 days in primary and then 7 days in secondary for dry hopping... Then 14 days of priming or whenever the beer tastes good.

Does that sound fine?

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