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Old 05-25-2012, 06:35 AM   #1
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So I've brewed two batches (extract kits) both from homebrewers outpost. My only complaint is that my beers aren't complex. Now you are probably wondering what I mean? Batches are not that hoppy, little malt flavoring. Tastes like it needs something badly. On my scale, it's a 5. What am I doing wrong? Are kits bought all the same? Need some help!

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Old 05-25-2012, 11:51 AM   #2
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What are the ingredients in the kits and what type of beers have you made? It probably wouldn't hurt to explain your process as well.

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Old 05-25-2012, 02:24 PM   #3
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Move onto partial-mash brewing. It's a bridge between all-grain and extract. You do a minimash for more complexity, but rely on extract for about half of the beer. You'll also need to step up your yeast game and learn how to appropriately design a hop schedule.

I do a lot of small 3.5 gallon batches indoors with a full volume boil (also very important). I will typically use 40-50% grain, and the rest is Extra Light and/or Pilsen DME.

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Old 05-25-2012, 03:55 PM   #4
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What are the ingredients in the kits and what type of beers have you made? It probably wouldn't hurt to explain your process as well.
Agreed. We could definately point you in the right direction if we knew the style beer you were attempting and the indredients in the kit. Depending on what that looks like we can examine your process.

I disagree that you that you need to step up to partial mash for complexity. Great and complex beers can be brewed full extract w/steeping grains. Good recipe, solid process, and fresh ingredients are the biggest requirements.
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Editing part of your comment...

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GOOD beers can be brewed full extract w/steeping grains.
But not complex, or great ones.
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Old 05-25-2012, 06:19 PM   #6
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I've found that steeping 2lbs of specialty grains in 3 gallons of water for 30 minutes helps prevent that thin taste.

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Old 05-25-2012, 06:57 PM   #7
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Are kits bought all the same?
Let me guess, you purchased less expensive kits? (Not a bad idea for starters) They don't have much malt or hops. If you want a big IPA, they cost a bit more.
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Old 05-25-2012, 08:25 PM   #8
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But not complex, or great ones.
I brew both full extract and partial mash. I respectfully disagree.
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I also brew complex extract beers

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Old 05-25-2012, 09:41 PM   #10
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Good. I brew extract, partial mash, and all-grain beers almost every 3 weeks in addition to being a full-time professional chef. I would say perception of complexity is a highly subjective thing and that extract beers, while good with proper process, are also the least complex of the bunch... by far. It's like making lemonade with powder and comparing it to real lemonade. Not extremely different, but definitely noticeable...even if you garnished the powdered version with real lemon slices. That said, I make and drink powdered lemonade myself... though I would never call it complex or submit it into a competition.

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